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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2008, 10:38:11 am »

I would just do Hinrich for Sergio Rodriguez an Portlands pick. Im fine with that.
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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2008, 12:51:56 pm »

Chitown at least you are being realistic(though LaFrentz would need be added for salary balancing).Phiboy wants way too much for Hinrich
 Phiboy what has Hinrich done in his career to be worth essentially 2 firsts and two starters from another team?He hasn't been an all star has he?Averaged 20pts a game?Eight assists a game?Just what makes Hinrich so valuable?Has he taken the Bulls to the NBA finals?Has he shot 50% from the field over an entire season?Give me proof that he is even worth one first round draft pick
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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2008, 03:58:11 pm »

Hinrich is good but he is not that good. I think he is a upgrade for Portland. Like you said lets be realistic here, we need to get rid of some guards anyway, an we need a backup for Rose. Sergio would be fine for me, Rose will probably be in most of the game anyway, an the pick is all I want. Hinrich is worth a mid first rounder in my opinion. Portland really doesnt need anything, they have great talent that just needs to grow together an at that pick there isnt a real good PG. Maybe Augustine. But i like said Hinrich for either Raef or Sergio an a pick is perfect.
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« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2008, 04:41:11 pm »

Chitown I agree Hinrich would be an upgrade and think giving up a 1st is fair for him(toss in Raef LaFrentz for cap purposes). I do find it frustating when people think that a player who is nowhere an all star is worth more simply because he is an upgrade.According to that thinking Pryzbilla would be worth the Bulls #1 overall because he would be a big(bigger than the difference between Blake and Hinrich at least)upgrade for the Bulls center position. I do not believe that is the case.A players worth  is based on his talent and Hinrichs talent while good is not all star level
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« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2008, 04:56:55 pm »

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Surprised I haven't seen more Hinrich trades here...well, at least viable ones.

Cannot be official until after new league year (#'s reflect '08/'09 salary):

Kirk Hinrich ($10 mil) - BYC drops in new league year
Cedric Simmons ($1.7 mil...cap filler if needed)
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Joel Pryzilla ($6.3 mil)
Steve Blake (ab. $4.5 mil)
Joel Freeland


Why?
CHI: Skiles values character in his draft picks and Rose obviously has much more than Beasley.  Hence, Skiles has to trade away his current PG, Hinrich, to make room for him.  In this deal, Skiles would be able to land 3 bigs and a vet to take the rook PG under his wing.  Pryzilla gives CHI a passable big until another big can be found or developed - at which point, he becomes a rebounding terror off the bench.  Blake is a versatile 3-PT specialist who can back up the point or play some SG to be an on-the-court coach for the new cornerstone.  Freeland is a decent prospect - an athletic 6'10" Brit who can hit a 3.  The #13 pick is looking to be a nice place to pick up an interesting big as well.  Players that Skiles might have to pick from include Love, McGee, Koufos, Speights, Hibbert, and the other Lopez (I'm thinking that Jordan will be gone).  All have their pros and cons, but any of them could supply CHI with the interior toughness to eventually move Pryzilla to backup C.  With another pick in the 2nd and RFA Gordon to deal with, CHI puts themselves in the position of being able to improve what they've got instead of having to fill a need.

POR adds a well-rounded PG with height while only giving up the replacee, a backup, and two prospects - something they have in overabundance right now.

CHI:
PG: Rose / Blake
Wings: Hughes / Deng / Noc / Thabo
Bigs: Pryzilla / Gooden / Thomas / Noah / Gray / #13

Remaining Assets: RFA Gordon, #39 overall

POR:
PG: Hinrich / Jack / Sergio / Green
Wings: Roy / Jones / Outlaw / Webster
Bigs: Oden / Aldridge / Frye / LaFrentz / McRoberts

Remaining Assets: Fernandez, Kopponen, 3 2nd round picks


I like how you start off Chicago's reason for doing this trade with "Skiles".
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« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2008, 04:58:43 pm »

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I would just do Hinrich for Sergio Rodriguez an Portlands pick. Im fine with that.


You're that low on Hinrich?  He was picked 7th overall and improved every year until this season's setback.
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« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2008, 05:00:18 pm »

You do realize that Hinrich two seasons ago was a near 17-3-6-1 guy who shot well and played great defense, right?
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« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2008, 06:15:22 pm »

Greenwing you are aware that Hinrich is a CAREER 41% shooter?That he has never quite averaged 17 pts for a whole season?That the one year of shooting well(44%) was more the aberration than the norm?
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« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2008, 06:45:36 pm »

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Greenwing you are aware that Hinrich is a CAREER 41% shooter?That he has never quite averaged 17 pts for a whole season?That the one year of shooting well(44%) was more the aberration than the norm?


Look at the trends, hot shot.  And also, take a look at the stat line for two seasons ago.  He's capable of much more.  You obviously don't know a great deal about him or why he has value in a trade.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hinriki01.html
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« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2008, 08:50:48 pm »

Working through this...
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I like how you start off Chicago's reason for doing this trade with "Skiles".
Sorry, I have gotten them confused since they paired up in CHI - ex-journeyman PGs kinda blend together for me.  Someone on the 1st page caught that as well.  I considered editing it but decided not to bother.
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Chitown I agree Hinrich would be an upgrade and think giving up a 1st is fair for him(toss in Raef LaFrentz for cap purposes). I do find it frustating when people think that a player who is nowhere an all star is worth more simply because he is an upgrade.According to that thinking Pryzbilla would be worth the Bulls #1 overall because he would be a big(bigger than the difference between Blake and Hinrich at least)upgrade for the Bulls center position. I do not believe that is the case.A players worth is based on his talent and Hinrichs talent while good is not all star level
I've said several x that the package POR gives up is nowhere close to garnering an All Star caliber player.  If there isn't a potential or current All Star in the deal, then you aren't there.  There just isn't in this deal.
As for the value of the player vs. the value of an upgrade, I think you've missed the point I was making.  The value of a player is the value of a player; the value of the upgrade is the reason to pull the trigger on the deal.  For instance, the package MIN would have taken for Kevin Garnett would not have changed regardless of how much of an upgrade he was for the other team - they had a very definite view of what his value was to them and were willing to say no unless it was fulfilled.  But for the teams where he was a larger upgrade, they were more willing to put together what MIN required to get it done.
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Chitown at least you are being realistic(though LaFrentz would need be added for salary balancing).Phiboy wants way too much for Hinrich
 Phiboy what has Hinrich done in his career to be worth essentially 2 firsts and two starters from another team?He hasn't been an all star has he?Averaged 20pts a game?Eight assists a game?Just what makes Hinrich so valuable?Has he taken the Bulls to the NBA finals?Has he shot 50% from the field over an entire season?Give me proof that he is even worth one first round draft pick
First, the trade.  My jaw dropped.  In my mind, Sergio + Lafrentz + 13 overall >> Przybilla + Blake + 13 overall + Freeland/2nd in terms of trade value.  I realize that Sergio is discontented with his PT, but he's still an immediate change of pace backup PG with upside as a high assist starter - if points come too, then that ceiling might even be low.  He's only 21 and that adds value as well.  If his shot gets back to his rookie % (regular minutes might accomplish that), then he'd be comparable right now to TJ Ford.  I figured POR wouldn't want to part with him unless they were landing a bigger fish.  Not sure if it'd fit CHI's vision for Rose, but sometimes if the value is too great you've got to jump, and this deal would qualify IMO. Alas, the salary doesn't work (LaFrentz + Sergio + 13th > Hinrich * 1.25...actually LaFrentz alone would be too much for that matter), but it would be close enough that I'm pretty sure CHI would figure it out.
As for Hinrich, I've compared him to Bibby which is why I choose that deal to base this one off of.  Bibby's offensive game has fallen off the last 2 years and is no longer in the high-10's scorer as he was earlier in his career, he's settling in with mid-10's now - prolly due to the fact that he's losing his shot (steady decline from 45% in his prime to 41% over last 2 years).  He was never really a big assist guy and while he's keeping the assists around career norms, it's still around 6 assists/game.  Considering the injury issues that seem to be plaguing Bibby over the last year or two, it might be that he's slowing down sooner than expected, and we'll see even more of a dropoff over the course of the next year or two. Defensively, Bibby has never been anything more than passable.  But as any ATL fan can tell you (myself included), he was still a HUGE upgrade from the journeyman Anthony Johnson, so I'm not trying to knock him too much.  He's still a good player, and I think he's still solidly in the 2nd tier of PGs league wide.  As a side note here, Bibby never made the All-Star game in his career.
Hinrich's game is comparable to Bibby's in a lot of ways except Hinrich is 3 years younger.  His jump shot is closer to Bibby's now than in his prime, and his penetrating ability isn't quite as good as what Bibby brings, although it's still at least average for a starting NBA PG.  The rest of his offensive talents are similar (passing, handle) - both are at least above average.  Where Hinrich really sets himself apart from Bibby is his D.  Hinrich is an intense defender that puts a lot of pressure on the ball for the entire time he is on the court.  I shouldn't stop the comparison without bringing up the fact that Hinrich has been paired with Ben Gordon for much of his career.  Gordon is a volume shooter who has sometimes been called a black hole offensively.  When a player takes as many shots as Gordon, other players may lag on O, and I wonder what would happen to Hinrich if he was put on a team with a star as unselfish as Roy.  This is why I expect Hinrich #'s to go up when he gets to POR.
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« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2008, 01:31:40 pm »

Phiboy you say you base your trade on what Atlanta gave Sacramento for Bibby.Lets see what Atlanta surrendered Anthony Johnson( a career backup whose value is nothing  )Shelden Williams(a player many consider a bust career averages of less than 5ppg and 5rpg),Tyrone Lue(immediately waived),Lorenzen Wright(who after the trade managed to play in 5 games for the Kings going 1-4 from the field ) and a SECOND round pick.The only one of those players who MIGHT  make Portlands roster would be Williams and only because  he's young and MIGHT develop .In other words he's Josh McRoberts and that was all trash Sacramento received for Bibby.
 Bibby's career numbers in points , assists and fg % are better than Hinrichs.His contract also runs two years less than Hinrichs.Bibby has also proved to be a team leader.Remember Bibby was given as much credit for Sacramento's title contention runs as anybody else on the team.
 Basing a Hinrich trade on that Portland would offer McRoberts,Von Wafer a resigned Ha Seung Jin and a second.Even at that Portland is giving more as at least all those players are young whereas in the Bibby trade I think only williams has less than 5 yrs in the league while Lue and Wright are near the end of their careers(Wright may last a while longer as he is 7ft tall but thats the only reason)
 Now answer my question from my previous post.What makes Hinrich worth essentially 2 firsts and 2 of Portlands starters this past season.What has HINRICH done to merit being worth so much?
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« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2008, 06:35:29 pm »

I like Hinrich , an i would say he is probably in the 2nd teer of PG's in this league. I think a new location would really help him out, he has done as much as he can do for us in my opinion. If we can get a decently high first round pick for him im happy. Where else are we gonna trade him!?
Plus you might be able to get a very young an talented guard like Rodriguez in the deal also who can play behind Rose. Like someone else said he is a good change of pace type player, could be like a young Calderon type player. My main thing is that draft pick though. In the past the Bulls are pretty good on trading on draft night an we saw last year that Portland is too. I think there are many big men in this years draft that could have nice potentail. So yea i would trade Hinrich for the pick an a player or 2. Grab either McGee or Speights in my opinion. There is no big post player right now that we can get without shipping off our whole team so i would see if i could grab one on draft night. There all young guys who if they stayed in college could possibly be lottery picks next year.
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« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2008, 06:46:57 pm »

Chitown at least you are being reasonable. If we could get away with just Sergio and the pick I'd do it but salcap situation requires more salary going to Chicago LaFrentz probably needs to be included with some filler besides Hinrich if Portland adds Sergio(need not be important players just salary).Portland probably does the trade
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« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2008, 09:51:03 pm »

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Phiboy you say you base your trade on what Atlanta gave Sacramento for Bibby.Lets see what Atlanta surrendered Anthony Johnson( a career backup whose value is nothing )Shelden Williams(a player many consider a bust career averages of less than 5ppg and 5rpg),Tyrone Lue(immediately waived),Lorenzen Wright(who after the trade managed to play in 5 games for the Kings going 1-4 from the field ) and a SECOND round pick.The only one of those players who MIGHT make Portlands roster would be Williams and only because he's young and MIGHT develop .In other words he's Josh McRoberts and that was all trash Sacramento received for Bibby.
Bibby's career numbers in points , assists and fg % are better than Hinrichs.His contract also runs two years less than Hinrichs.Bibby has also proved to be a team leader.Remember Bibby was given as much credit for Sacramento's title contention runs as anybody else on the team.
Basing a Hinrich trade on that Portland would offer McRoberts,Von Wafer a resigned Ha Seung Jin and a second.Even at that Portland is giving more as at least all those players are young whereas in the Bibby trade I think only williams has less than 5 yrs in the league while Lue and Wright are near the end of their careers(Wright may last a while longer as he is 7ft tall but thats the only reason)
Now answer my question from my previous post.What makes Hinrich worth essentially 2 firsts and 2 of Portlands starters this past season.What has HINRICH done to merit being worth so much?
Well, it appears that we're getting around to the meat of the disagreement here.

1st, the relative values of Bibby and Hinrich.  Bibby was definitely better during his younger years, but let's face it, we didn't acquire a 25 to 27 year old Bibby in his prime.  ATL traded for an aging PG with injury issues who SAC was looking to replace with Beno Udrih (not quite the same as getting replaced by a consensus top talent in the draft).  He may have been in the middle of some playoff runs in the past, but he never was an All-Star and SAC has gone through a steady decline for the last 5 years while they have attempted to build around Bibby.  And yes, there is some value that Bibby's contract lasted 1.5 years from the time of the acquisition, but the fact that Bibby turned 30 about 3 mos after the deal should also be taken into account when analyzing his contract.
As to how Hinrich compares to the actual player that ATL traded for, I delved into this at length in the last post and I think he compares favorably (before going on, I know I'm avoiding Hinrich and Bibby in their primes, but I don't think it's worth the debate here.  FWIW, I do think that Hinrich would compare, but if you have to give a little to get a little, then I'll always give a little O to get a little D, but that could just be me).  The only new points here are contract length and leadership ability.  Yes, Hinrich's contract does run for 4 more years, but @ 27, he should still be in his prime, so it shouldn't be considered that your taking someone else's mistake.  Two points to put his contract in perspective: 1) the $$$ that ATL is paying Bibby (about 1/2 of the 07-08 season and all of 08-09) is only about $14 mil less than what Hinrich will get paid over the next 4 seasons which is about the same salary that Bibby made this year.  Hence, 2.5 seasons of an aging Bibby is paid the same as 4 years worth of Hinrich through his prime.  2) Hinrich's contract over the next 3 years will pay him about $2.5 mil/year more than what Przybilla will get paid - or about the cost of Jackie Butler.  The last year of Hinrich's contract would be $1/2 mil more than Przybilla's salary the preceding year (the last year of his deal).  Przybilla, who comes in around the MLE, would prolly get 10-15 minutes/game in POR behind the young big man rotation of Oden, Aldridge, prolly Frye, and whatever minutes Outlaw sees @ PF, while Hinrich should see closer around 30 minutes/game as a #2 perimeter play maker and prolly POR's best perimeter defender - and all your losing is the cost of last year's contract to the career backup Anthony Johnson.  (I will get into the trade value of salary vs. PT more later, but I sense that you feel that it's paramount to the discussion, so I included this here.)  The other point of discussion is the leadership angle.  While Bibby is a veteran whose been through the wars before, Hinrich isn't a babe in this area either.  In 3 of his 1st 5 years as an NBA player, Hinrich has been the PG for a playoff team - actually the same % as Bibby who is 6 for 10.  Inspecting deeper here shows that Hinrich has played for 1 team that held the #7 overall pick when they got him and he was a core piece that they built around to become a 2nd tier team in the East before their inexplicable fall from grace this year.  Hinrich's CHI teams had two seasons where they were the "1st wild card", if you will, and ended up with a 4 and 5 seed, although they could have higher if they weren't in the same division as DET.   Bibby whined his way out of the team that drafted him #2 to join a SAC team that was coming off a year in which they were a 3 seed in the West, then rode that success for 5 of his playoff entries, once that was over he somehow got himself out again and got his 6th in a 1/2 season with ATL this year.  With this in perspective: who would you prefer as your team leader?

2nd, the value SAC received in the Bibby trade and why it compares to this trade.  To delve into this, let me 1st separate the two components of any trade which is a many players for 1 deal - the prospects (Shelden and the 2nd rounder) and the players (Wright, Johnson, Lue).  I'll take the players 1st.  Outside of pointing out that the player your calling a career backup (and I agree) had a very similar year to Steve Blake before the trade, the point here is that SAC got $10 million in expiring contracts.  In this deal, expiring contracts were nice since they enabled SAC to more or less dump Bibby before Kevin Martin's contract extension kicked in, but in retrospect, we really shoot ourselves in the foot with that.  By giving up the $10 mil in expirings, ATL went from being a player in this year's FA market - with enough cap room to be in the at least be near the max category if not the max - to being just another team since we now don't have enough cap room to go much higher than the MLE.  From the veteran player's side deal, SAC got what they wanted - to be out from under Bibby's contract; while ATL got the best player, even while our then-GM still showed his seemingly legendary lack of foresight and vision by completely killing any roster flexibility this off-season.
Before going into the thought process of this deal on the veteran players' side, I want to reiterate from a previous post my statement that in many cases expiring contracts for worthless players are as valuable - if not more - than mid-level players in the midst of mid-level contracts.  Ergo, LaFrentz's expiring is about the same value as the Przybilla/Blake combo.  As for this deal, I went with the Przybilla/Blake combo instead of LaFrentz for the reason described above: POR should prefer to keep the cap room instead of a couple of backups since next year's UFA market could be very deep.  CHI might prefer taking LaFrentz with Deng and Gordon clamoring for extensions and what looks to be a strong UFA market next off-season, but why POR would do that is still beyond me.  CHI would prolly take Przybilla and Blake for the reasons mentioned (Przybilla would get some minutes @ C and Blake would be a good backup to Rose without being good enough so that players and/or fans would want to see more Blake when Rose goes through some growing pains), and they'd be a better team quicker which would satiate their fans after this year's fiasco.  But LaFrentz would allow them to have a "bite the bullet" year on salary so that they come back next year with another lottery pick, cap room around the max contract category to pick up an FA, and a year of having a wily vet bang on the low post prospects in practice (time to see if the kids will sink or swim).  In the long run, it could be a better plan for CHI than the one I have proposed - I do not argue this.  But why should POR give that up?  The prospects in this deal are enough to satisfy what CHI is looking for, and the journeymen actually do fill some holes.  It'd be one thing if POR wouldn't have cap room, but you will.  By putting LaFrentz in instead of Przybilla/Blake, you change the deal from Przybilla/Blake and 2 prospects for Hinrich to, say, Emeka Okafor and 2 prospects for Hinrich  (I know you have 1 prospect but I'm getting to that).  Is the 20-30 minutes/game of journeyman play that Pryzbilla and Blake would yield combined over the life of their contracts really worth missing next year's FA period with cap room around the max?  If that's the decision, then instead of being able to make a run @ someone like Deng, Iguodala, the 2 Joshes for ATL, Biedrins, Okafor, or whoever, you're settling for Joel Przybilla and Steve Blake.  That's why I don't get that exchange.  

And the prospects.  SAC took Shelden Williams and a 2nd rounder in prospects.  How does that compare to this deal?  Well, the 2nd rounder is easy - it's basically a wash.  I've stated that I put Freeland's value around the #36 (actually a little lower, but whatever, it isn't that important) and POR could just sub that in.  SAC picked up the #42 in the Bibby deal.  6 spots in the 2nd has very little trade value - especially so considering that these picks are routinely just sold.  It's easy enough to call this a wash.  Now, the tougher ?: Shelden Williams vs. the #13 pick in the draft.  It's hard to determine the value of a player that been in the league for a year or two and what his draft value is - especially so when that player is forced into an impossible situation.  I think we should look @ it from SAC perspective and see where they would have drafted him to determine what they decided Bibby's value was.  Now, I realize that Shelden has been routinely bashed on this board, but he really is a decent prospect.  Don't look too hard @ what happened in ATL - all that he's really proven in his 2 years with us is that he is NOT a C.  The comparisons to Antonio Davis when we drafted him were flat wrong.  We forced him there because we had/have an overabundance of PFs, and he was just a fish out of water.  But that is what he isn't, but really, what is he?  He has shown signs of being a decent PF.  When he has gotten minutes there, he typically brings down around 10 boards and scores 10+ points.  He's a wide body who doesn't mind throwing it around or doing some dirty work. He is unselfish and didn't sulk when he was obviously overmatched and then replaced by Horford, instead he kept his head down and continued to work @ his game.  He actually extended his shot out to 15 feet while riding the pine.  His college resume is sterling - two time DPOY; comes from a line of successful pro PF (Brand, Boozer).  At this point, I could very easily see him giving SAC something similar to what Udonis Haslem gives MIA - and now that he's in a situation where he isn't forced to be something he's not, he could grow into something more.  Looking @ SAC's Cs, they have Hawes who isn't a banger down low, so getting a wide bodied PF as a compliment must have been a real appeal to them, and Shelden definitely fits that bill.  But where would they have taken him if he was in this year's draft?  Even after this thought process, the ? hasn't gotten any easier.  I will put him between Marresse Speights and Roy Hibbert - say, late-10's to early-20's and I think that's fairly conservative.  Speights is actually a pretty good comp since Speights is more talented, but Shelden is by far the harder worker.  The fact that Speights may be able to play C makes no matter here since SAC wouldn't care.  From this, the #13 is about 5-10 slots higher than where SAC placed Shelden.
So there it is.  From the prospect side, POR would give CHI two prospects that end up slightly better than what ATL gave up for Bibby.  From the veteran side, POR gets to dictate that the package is a couple of journeymen so that they can keep a line in the FA waters come next off-season.  But what does POR get in return?  A player in his prime who fills what is possibly the biggest hole POR currently has, yet won't try to steal shots (or headlines) from the other young stars.  A 2nd tier PG who has shown great leadership and leads his team to the playoffs more often than not.  An upgrade @ PG who can hit the 3 as well as play very good tight D.  Basically, a little more than slightly more than what ATL got with Bibby.
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« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2008, 10:14:07 pm »

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Surprised I haven't seen more Hinrich trades here...well, at least viable ones.

Cannot be official until after new league year (#'s reflect '08/'09 salary):

Kirk Hinrich ($10 mil) - BYC drops in new league year
Cedric Simmons ($1.7 mil...cap filler if needed)
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#13 overall
Joel Pryzilla ($6.3 mil)
Steve Blake (ab. $4.5 mil)
Joel Freeland


Why?
CHI: Skiles values character in his draft picks and Rose obviously has much more than Beasley.  Hence, Skiles has to trade away his current PG, Hinrich, to make room for him.  In this deal, Skiles would be able to land 3 bigs and a vet to take the rook PG under his wing.  Pryzilla gives CHI a passable big until another big can be found or developed - at which point, he becomes a rebounding terror off the bench.  Blake is a versatile 3-PT specialist who can back up the point or play some SG to be an on-the-court coach for the new cornerstone.  Freeland is a decent prospect - an athletic 6'10" Brit who can hit a 3.  The #13 pick is looking to be a nice place to pick up an interesting big as well.  Players that Skiles might have to pick from include Love, McGee, Koufos, Speights, Hibbert, and the other Lopez (I'm thinking that Jordan will be gone).  All have their pros and cons, but any of them could supply CHI with the interior toughness to eventually move Pryzilla to backup C.  With another pick in the 2nd and RFA Gordon to deal with, CHI puts themselves in the position of being able to improve what they've got instead of having to fill a need.

POR adds a well-rounded PG with height while only giving up the replacee, a backup, and two prospects - something they have in overabundance right now.

CHI:
PG: Rose / Blake
Wings: Hughes / Deng / Noc / Thabo
Bigs: Pryzilla / Gooden / Thomas / Noah / Gray / #13

Remaining Assets: RFA Gordon, #39 overall

POR:
PG: Hinrich / Jack / Sergio / Green
Wings: Roy / Jones / Outlaw / Webster
Bigs: Oden / Aldridge / Frye / LaFrentz / McRoberts

Remaining Assets: Fernandez, Kopponen, 3 2nd round picks
Once you cleared up the Skiles/Paxson thing I became less confused. I don't think it's a bad trade. I think that the Bulls would do
this deal with an eye towards another deal by the midseason deadline. (like acquiring Jermaine Oneal.) I also think they would want a player who
has some sort of track record in the league. (Frye instead of Freeland) But
if Portland can't land TJ Ford or one of the Grizzlies (Kyle Lowry/J Crittenton or Mike Conley) for less assets maybe they do
a deal like this.
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