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« on: May 21, 2008, 12:17:09 am »

Surprised I haven't seen more Hinrich trades here...well, at least viable ones.

Cannot be official until after new league year (#'s reflect '08/'09 salary):

Kirk Hinrich ($10 mil) - BYC drops in new league year
Cedric Simmons ($1.7 mil...cap filler if needed)
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#13 overall
Joel Pryzilla ($6.3 mil)
Steve Blake (ab. $4.5 mil)
Joel Freeland


Why?
CHI: Skiles values character in his draft picks and Rose obviously has much more than Beasley.  Hence, Skiles has to trade away his current PG, Hinrich, to make room for him.  In this deal, Skiles would be able to land 3 bigs and a vet to take the rook PG under his wing.  Pryzilla gives CHI a passable big until another big can be found or developed - at which point, he becomes a rebounding terror off the bench.  Blake is a versatile 3-PT specialist who can back up the point or play some SG to be an on-the-court coach for the new cornerstone.  Freeland is a decent prospect - an athletic 6'10" Brit who can hit a 3.  The #13 pick is looking to be a nice place to pick up an interesting big as well.  Players that Skiles might have to pick from include Love, McGee, Koufos, Speights, Hibbert, and the other Lopez (I'm thinking that Jordan will be gone).  All have their pros and cons, but any of them could supply CHI with the interior toughness to eventually move Pryzilla to backup C.  With another pick in the 2nd and RFA Gordon to deal with, CHI puts themselves in the position of being able to improve what they've got instead of having to fill a need.

POR adds a well-rounded PG with height while only giving up the replacee, a backup, and two prospects - something they have in overabundance right now.

CHI:
PG: Rose / Blake
Wings: Hughes / Deng / Noc / Thabo
Bigs: Pryzilla / Gooden / Thomas / Noah / Gray / #13

Remaining Assets: RFA Gordon, #39 overall

POR:
PG: Hinrich / Jack / Sergio / Green
Wings: Roy / Jones / Outlaw / Webster
Bigs: Oden / Aldridge / Frye / LaFrentz / McRoberts

Remaining Assets: Fernandez, Kopponen, 3 2nd round picks
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 05:19:34 am »

What about Hinrich alone for Pryzbilla, Jarrett Jack, no #13 pick, and Freeland stays or goes (it makes no difference)? Don't worry about the financial stuff. Also, do you really know Freeland's game, what else does he have? And come to think of it, what about Sefolosha, do the Bulls care much about him?
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 06:04:10 am »

blake is free agent.. so this doesnt work.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2008, 08:33:35 am »

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blake is free agent.. so this doesnt work.



No Blake is not a free agent, he inked a multi-year deal this Summer.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2008, 08:42:01 am »

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blake is free agent.. so this doesnt work.
FYI, when the salary on the hh salary page is blank, then that means the salary wasn't released.  It will have a 0 when the player is no longer under contract.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2008, 08:51:58 am »

If I was Portland, I wouldnt do this because from the standpoint that Portland was a .500 team this season without the number 1 pick and starting Center playing all season.

With Greg Oden, the Blazers should win 10 more games, which should make them a playoff team.

Then they are very young and those players should improve and get better-Roy, Aldridge, Webster, and Outlaw.

Mainly Hinrich makes a lot more money than Blake and I wouldnt say Hinrich is head and shoulders above Blake, so why would Portland do such a thing.

Portland needs a PG to be a leader and make everyone better, and the only PG that comes to mind that can help they right away is Steve Nash.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2008, 09:09:39 am »

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What about Hinrich alone for Pryzbilla, Jarrett Jack, no #13 pick, and Freeland stays or goes (it makes no difference)? Don't worry about the financial stuff. Also, do you really know Freeland's game, what else does he have? And come to think of it, what about Sefolosha, do the Bulls care much about him?
Hinrich for Pryzilla and Jack?  No.  I think CHI wants more upside inside than what Pryzilla brings and what would they do with Jack?  He'd be a backup there and doesn't really bring the veteran leadership that was appealing with Blake.

As for Freeland, I honestly haven't been able to see him play nor can I find much about him since he was drafted.  I do remember his scouting reports when he was drafted and they were nice.  6'10"; lanky, but a good frame to add more weight; raw (hadn't played b-ball for long) but showed good athleticism and decent scoring ability.  It's not that I think he's an incredible prospect or anything, but he's decent.  I don't think that CHI would bring him over immediately nor do I think that he's the next Dirk, but he would a nice player for CHI to keep an eye on and could be a contributor in a few years.  

As for Thabo, he's a prospect that's quickly dropping into a decent rating.  For as much as CHI needed some more size in their back court, Skiles decided it was better to trade for Hughes than expand his role.  Instead it looks like CHI is comfortable calling him a 7th or 8th man at best.  I guess the deal could be expanded to include him, but why?  Remember that POR is like 6 players over the maximum number of roster spots next year (14 carry over; 4 draft picks; 3 viable prospects overseas) so bringing in another body is actually a pretty big deal to them.  As for CHI, why include him if the other team isn't really interested?  Thabo contributes too much to be simply cap filler, but not enough to be a real chip in a trade where a good starter is involved.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 09:20:57 am »

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Surprised I haven't seen more Hinrich trades here...well, at least viable ones.



Cannot be official until after new league year (#'s reflect '08/'09 salary):

Kirk Hinrich ($10 mil) - BYC drops in new league year
Cedric Simmons ($1.7 mil...cap filler if needed)
for
#13 overall
Joel Pryzilla ($6.3 mil)
Steve Blake (ab. $4.5 mil)
Joel Freeland


Why?
CHI: Skiles values character in his draft picks and Rose obviously has much more than Beasley.  Hence, Skiles has to trade away his current PG, Hinrich, to make room for him.  In this deal, Skiles would be able to land 3 bigs and a vet to take the rook PG under his wing.  Pryzilla gives CHI a passable big until another big can be found or developed - at which point, he becomes a rebounding terror off the bench.  Blake is a versatile 3-PT specialist who can back up the point or play some SG to be an on-the-court coach for the new cornerstone.  Freeland is a decent prospect - an athletic 6'10" Brit who can hit a 3.  The #13 pick is looking to be a nice place to pick up an interesting big as well.  Players that Skiles might have to pick from include Love, McGee, Koufos, Speights, Hibbert, and the other Lopez (I'm thinking that Jordan will be gone).  All have their pros and cons, but any of them could supply CHI with the interior toughness to eventually move Pryzilla to backup C.  With another pick in the 2nd and RFA Gordon to deal with, CHI puts themselves in the position of being able to improve what they've got instead of having to fill a need.

POR adds a well-rounded PG with height while only giving up the replacee, a backup, and two prospects - something they have in overabundance right now.

CHI:
PG: Rose / Blake
Wings: Hughes / Deng / Noc / Thabo
Bigs: Pryzilla / Gooden / Thomas / Noah / Gray / #13

Remaining Assets: RFA Gordon, #39 overall

POR:
PG: Hinrich / Jack / Sergio / Green
Wings: Roy / Jones / Outlaw / Webster
Bigs: Oden / Aldridge / Frye / LaFrentz / McRoberts

Remaining Assets: Fernandez, Kopponen, 3 2nd round picks





Skiles is in Milwakee and not in chicago anymore
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 09:46:30 am »

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If I was Portland, I wouldnt do this because from the standpoint that Portland was a .500 team this season without the number 1 pick and starting Center playing all season.

With Greg Oden, the Blazers should win 10 more games, which should make them a playoff team.

Then they are very young and those players should improve and get better-Roy, Aldridge, Webster, and Outlaw.

Mainly Hinrich makes a lot more money than Blake and I wouldnt say Hinrich is head and shoulders above Blake, so why would Portland do such a thing.

Portland needs a PG to be a leader and make everyone better, and the only PG that comes to mind that can help they right away is Steve Nash.
Remember that POR has a LOT of assets right now and actually needs to make a couple of trades to get under the 15 maximum roster spots for next season.  They have already been shopping for a "franchise" SF and a PG to lead the team.  POR is only a few pieces away from becoming very good, but sitting still and getting pieces that they couldn't even carry on the roster would be a waste.

Hinrich and Roy would make for a matchup nightmare for opposing teams looking to hide a smaller PG and/or SG.  Add in a good young front court and the team could be thinking championships in a few years.  I can't see them deciding that Blake is the man to lead them.  As you say, Hinrich may not be either (and I respect that), but I do think he'd be a very good fit on POR.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2008, 09:48:43 am »

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Skiles is in Milwakee and not in chicago anymore
Thanks.  Sorry, I meant Paxson.  I confused those 2 the entire time that they were in CHI together.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2008, 10:02:51 am »

Dunno, the Vanilla Gorilla brings a lot to the table for Portland, and to have him as the 3rd big will be huge next year.

If they want an upgrade at the PG position, I don't see Hinrich as their answer...  I think Jack and Rodriguez are fine anyway...

They're hoping Rudy Fernandez can join them next year, which would be huge...

I could see Portland acquiring Hinrich, but I don't think they'll give up much to get him...  Maybe Raef LaFrentz's contract and a draft pick...
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2008, 10:41:39 am »

Quote from: "phiboy207"
Surprised I haven't seen more Hinrich trades here...well, at least viable ones.

Cannot be official until after new league year (#'s reflect '08/'09 salary):

Kirk Hinrich ($10 mil) - BYC drops in new league year
Cedric Simmons ($1.7 mil...cap filler if needed)
for
#13 overall
Joel Pryzilla ($6.3 mil)
Steve Blake (ab. $4.5 mil)
Joel Freeland


Why?
CHI: Skiles values character in his draft picks and Rose obviously has much more than Beasley.  Hence, Skiles has to trade away his current PG, Hinrich, to make room for him.  In this deal, Skiles would be able to land 3 bigs and a vet to take the rook PG under his wing.  Pryzilla gives CHI a passable big until another big can be found or developed - at which point, he becomes a rebounding terror off the bench.  Blake is a versatile 3-PT specialist who can back up the point or play some SG to be an on-the-court coach for the new cornerstone.  Freeland is a decent prospect - an athletic 6'10" Brit who can hit a 3.  The #13 pick is looking to be a nice place to pick up an interesting big as well.  Players that Skiles might have to pick from include Love, McGee, Koufos, Speights, Hibbert, and the other Lopez (I'm thinking that Jordan will be gone).  All have their pros and cons, but any of them could supply CHI with the interior toughness to eventually move Pryzilla to backup C.  With another pick in the 2nd and RFA Gordon to deal with, CHI puts themselves in the position of being able to improve what they've got instead of having to fill a need.

POR adds a well-rounded PG with height while only giving up the replacee, a backup, and two prospects - something they have in overabundance right now.

CHI:
PG: Rose / Blake
Wings: Hughes / Deng / Noc / Thabo
Bigs: Pryzilla / Gooden / Thomas / Noah / Gray / #13

Remaining Assets: RFA Gordon, #39 overall

POR:
PG: Hinrich / Jack / Sergio / Green
Wings: Roy / Jones / Outlaw / Webster
Bigs: Oden / Aldridge / Frye / LaFrentz / McRoberts

Remaining Assets: Fernandez, Kopponen, 3 2nd round picks
Wow, I actually love this trade for the Bulls and Portland.  Chicago gets its backup Point Guard that won't whine for minutes.  Potentially, there will be a big time center or PF that might drop to that spot (Love or Arthur might, and some combo of DeAndre Jordan, Hibbert, Mcgee, Speights, and Koufos would also be there for the taking).  The Bulls could still put a package together for a big time PF if they get their Center (Brand, O'Neal, even Randolph, though I would really have to be convinced) in the draft and they would almost have to to free up roster spaces and actually put together a working rotation.  

Portland would benefit from Hinrich more anyone they have right now, unless Sergio or Rudy are ready for primetime, and then it becomes an issue for them.  My guess is that Portland would benefit more if somehow Hinrich and Nocioni came over, because that would shore up their depth on the wings, and give Roy another shooting threat to take some pressure off.
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2008, 12:58:17 pm »

Pryzbilla is more important to Portlands future than people realize. He is a hardworking veteran leader on a young team. Wouldn't even trade him straight up for Hinrich
 Phiboy just because Portland has a lot of assets does NOT mean they need overpay for what at best would be a minimal upgrade at the point.
 Portland is run by an intelligent gm who when he makes a trade gets a good deal
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Portland record 54-28
Chicago record 41-41
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2008, 01:50:20 pm »

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Pryzbilla is more important to Portlands future than people realize. He is a hardworking veteran leader on a young team. Wouldn't even trade him straight up for Hinrich
 Phiboy just because Portland has a lot of assets does NOT mean they need overpay for what at best would be a minimal upgrade at the point.
 Portland is run by an intelligent gm who when he makes a trade gets a good deal
I agree that Pryzilla is a good backup C, possible in the top 5 backup Cs in the NBA.  It means something that they resigned him after they knew they were getting Oden, but before they knew he'd be out for the year.  But to get something you have to give something and as far as outgoing players, I don't see this as overpaying.  A backup C - however good - and 2 prospects that may or may not ever contribute to the team is nothing compared to the upgrade of Blake to Hinrich.  Blake had a career year last year while Hinrich had prolly the worst of his career, yet Hinrich clearly outpaced Blake in every statistical category except 3-PT % and TOs.  If Hinrich enjoys a similar statistical boost over his career numbers that Blake enjoyed by going to POR, then Hinrich would be a 15/8 guy - firmly in the 2nd tier of PGs league wide.  Kick in some good D and quality FT shooting and it's easy to see that Hinrich could become a core player for POR - along with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden.  Getting core players is rare; getting them for career backups and prospects that aren't considered elite is rarer.

Anyway, I definitely disagree that a couple of career backups and a couple of prospects is overpaying for a 2nd tier PG.  I simply can't see it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2008, 05:47:52 pm »

Phiboy it isn't merely 2 backups,remember both Pryz and Blake started this season,and little more than filler. You are asking for a LOTTERY pick and another player who was a first round pick currently playing in Europe.In exchange Portland gets one player who while an upgrade at the point is not even close to being an all star. Sorry but Portland giving up that much would want a potential all star.
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Portland record 54-28
Chicago record 41-41
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