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« on: May 29, 2008, 09:38:52 pm »

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Randolph and Crawford

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Turkoglu, Cook, Battie, and Reddick

Magic would get a true PF to complement Dwight Howard in scoring and on the glass.  Finally get a true shooting guard that could create his own shot.  Replacing Turkoglu with Randolph would allow Rashard Lewis to return to his natural position.  Howard would also get some much needed help on the boards and inside scoring.  Defensively, not much of an upgrade but noone that is part of the Knicks trade (besides Battie who is injury prone and about 45 years old) can play a lick of defense.  

Knicks would get 3 guys that would fit in well in D'Antoni's offense even though they aren't as good as what the Knicks are giving up.  Besides Turk, none of them would even be in the rotation but this trade would allow the Knicks to be under the cap in 2010.

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Howard
Randolph
Lewis
Crawford
Nelson

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Curry
Lee
Turk
Mayo/Gordon?
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 09:42:19 pm »

i really like it for orlando, but their defense is non-existent after this trade.

i don't know much about the knicks, so i'm not in a position to judge
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 10:55:12 pm »

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i really like it for orlando, but their defense is non-existent after this trade.

i don't know much about the knicks, so i'm not in a position to judge


Crawford played defense under Larry Brown he's coachable, and I do this deal in a heartbeat that way, we can draft Gordon.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 06:25:45 am »

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i really like it for orlando, but their defense is non-existent after this trade.

i don't know much about the knicks, so i'm not in a position to judge


The only defensive guy orlando would be losing is Battie, who didn't even play last year.  Orlando would be getting a huge offensive upgrade and would be able to makeup for Battie hustle by drafting Joey Dorsey (who is the guy they have zeroed in on to draft).
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 09:48:43 am »

I like it for the Knicks, Turkoglu is a really good team player -- very unselfish and showed that he can step up in the 4th quarter when needed.

I don't see this making Orlando better though.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 11:21:37 am »

I always wanted to see Howard and ZBO play together and Orlando would be a BEAST after this:

Dwight
Randolph
Lewis
Crawford
Arroyo


Knicks rebuild I guess with this which is cool.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 12:58:12 pm »

I wont rain on your parade yet but I will form a huge dark cloud over it

1) Do the contracts even work? You're using the salaries from 07/08. Next year it will be about 23 and 18 but I didnt check the specifics.
2) What is all this talk about Howard needing another big man? It wont hurt but I feel like a better PG or a more threatening SG or even a big man that could pass would be better than a score first PF like Randolph.
3) Dwight Howard is physically capable of 25-30PPG but he gets doubled all the time. Would bringing in 2 score first players help Howard score more or will he end up with less touches? (To be fair you are only bringing in one more score first player since you lose Turkoglu)
4) I like this for the Knicks even though Turkoglu is just a taller version of Crawford with even less defense. We clear up a lot of minutes for other players so I wont mind if Battie stays injured. Cook and Redick if they pan out great if not whatever. We gain cap space in 2 years. So yes I would accept this on the Knicks behalf.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 01:42:54 pm »

orlando tells ny to go *** themselves.

unfortunately.
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 01:47:35 pm »

I don't want Zbo to taint Howard with all of this club stuff offcourt issuesman.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 02:56:25 pm »

I don't think having ZBo and Howard together would be detrimental to Howard.
 Howard isn't really an offensively gifted player whereas ZBo is.
Randolph has midrange game where Howard is pretty much dunks.
I think it'd be a nice fit.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 03:19:49 pm »

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orlando tells ny to go ***** themselves.

unfortunately.


why they have massive holes at PF and SG, which they are filling with SF, Hedo and Lewis. This trade spaces out the floor better for Howard he's is impossible to double, next to Howard, and Howardl plays enough to cover for him.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 03:35:47 pm »

Let's hope so!
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 04:07:53 pm »

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I don't think having ZBo and Howard together would be detrimental to Howard.
 Howard isn't really an offensively gifted player whereas ZBo is.
Randolph has midrange game where Howard is pretty much dunks.
I think it'd be a nice fit.


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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 04:08:35 pm »

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orlando tells ny to go ***** themselves.

unfortunately.


why they have massive holes at PF and SG, which they are filling with SF, Hedo and Lewis. This trade spaces out the floor better for Howard he's is impossible to double, next to Howard, and Howardl plays enough to cover for him.


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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 04:21:08 pm »

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I wont rain on your parade yet but I will form a huge dark cloud over it

1) Do the contracts even work? You're using the salaries from 07/08. Next year it will be about 23 and 18 but I didnt check the specifics.
2) What is all this talk about Howard needing another big man? It wont hurt but I feel like a better PG or a more threatening SG or even a big man that could pass would be better than a score first PF like Randolph.
3) Dwight Howard is physically capable of 25-30PPG but he gets doubled all the time. Would bringing in 2 score first players help Howard score more or will he end up with less touches? (To be fair you are only bringing in one more score first player since you lose Turkoglu)
4) I like this for the Knicks even though Turkoglu is just a taller version of Crawford with even less defense. We clear up a lot of minutes for other players so I wont mind if Battie stays injured. Cook and Redick if they pan out great if not whatever. We gain cap space in 2 years. So yes I would accept this on the Knicks behalf.


1) Contracts work for for 08/09 as well.  RealGM provides the updated numbers.

2)You are wrong on all fronts here.  Howard and Randolph would be a perfect match (consider it an upgraded Chandler and West combo).  Unlike Curry and Randolph, you'll have two guys that cover for each other on all bases.  And good luck finding a more threatening SG with that package.  Say what you want about Crawford but the guy was our Hedo in the 4th quarter.  He's a guy that can create his own shot at his natural position (unlike Hedo who take advantage of the PF's that were guarding him because Lewis was on the floor with him).

3) Yes - but that is why you need more offensive firepower that can get the job done, especially at the 4.  If you have Z-Bo downlow in the post and a double comes, image what Howard could do from the weakside!!!

4) For the Knicks its all about 2010.  It makes even more sense for them because they get offensive players that might be able to flourish in D'Antoni's system (obviously Hedo will).  But talent wise the Knicks are giving up good players that looked horrible on our team but could be missing pieces on a team like Orlando that wants to be more than just a playoff team.

I know you are Knicks fan so its hard to be up on our guys because you saw how brutal we were last year.  I read all the posts about Randolph and I just laugh because the guy can be awesome in the right system and with the right coach....but we didn't provide either one for him.  Stan Van Gundy would orgasm if he could have a lineup with that much firepower...especially for what he's giving up.  (2 guys who can't can shoot but can't create their own shot, a PF who just missed an entire season and is on his downside, and a SF who took advantage of slower PF's on the perimeter).
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