bulls should try to get Bosh or Wade

[#1 n only bullfan]

lol.

Bulls fans are a very angry and defensive bunch.

you better ask somebody!!!!!!!

[shangrila]

No that's just Joe & the other character

I love when they post though, I usually get alot of laughs when it's about the Bulls and what they claim

But every time we debate, you get your ***** handed to you, that's what's so funny...

What have I ever claimed?  You wouldn't know moron.  Anyone who took the time would know that I think the Bulls can go in a great direction with Rose regardless of who they do or don't add in free agency, AND, that up until now I think Paxson's tenure has been a joke... I think Hinrich, for the money he makes and for the role Paxson tried to give him, is a joke, I think Deng's a joke, I think Thomas may be something, but probably won't be anything, and that Noah is solid...

Please let me know how I'm this huge homer....

OR

why being a homer on the BULLS board would even be a bad thing if I was a homer...

Again, you're not getting it because you have a low IQ.  This is the BULLS board.. a post here and that same post on general NBA mean two different things... on general NBA if you are overly optomistic about your team, it's seen as smack, or exposing NBA fans to a delusional side of your fan base.  On a team board, the posting body is PRESUMED TO BE the fan base.  So even if someone wanted to come in here and say "Deng is the best ever"... it's not up to anyone other than Bulls fans to say otherwise.

What you and Shangrila get into is tantamount to calling a bay area radio station and saying "Why would you guys talk about the 49ers or Raiders, they're not that good, you should talk REAL football"... when the reason why they talk Raiders or 49ers is because of the geographic connection to the team.

"People from Chicago claim overly optomistic things about the Bulls and their players" - Wow, what a ground-breaking idea...

Really young, you are something.  You figured out that people from a city tend to like things from THAT city more than other cities... Next you're going to tell me that people are closer to family members than total strangers.

Seriously, what are you doing here?  Shouldn't you be at a major university teaching the faculty about ground-breaking thought?  Maybe in Athens.... teaching philosophy?

How did I get into this? It's not like I come here and tell you your team sucks. I come here and offer an opinion. I know I burst bubbles but when you're talking about getting Carmelo Anthony for expirings because he's not Lebron James your bubble has to be burst. But if you have a problem PM me. Don't just add me into a little spat you're having with someone else.

[joehoo]

How did I get into this? It's not like I come here and tell you your team sucks. I come here and offer an opinion. I know I burst bubbles but when you're talking about getting Carmelo Anthony for expirings because he's not Lebron James your bubble has to be burst. But if you have a problem PM me. Don't just add me into a little spat you're having with someone else.

Again, and I've said it before, I've never gotten much into proposing trades, but a few things here:

1.  I believe we have a good future in Rose, but none of our other present players says "future teammate of Rose on a great Bulls team," so I'm kind of looking at angles.  I can't control what anyone will give us for anyone else.

2.  If the criteria for a good trade post was "it has to actually HAPPEN for you to be a good poster" then only .0000001% of posts would be good posts....

Think about it.  For every trade that actually happens, how many millions of things that will never happen are actually talked about?  We're having a discussion about possibilities here, because before you can do it, it must be within the scope of what you can imagine.  Imagination has led to many dead ends, however, without it... that which was once thought to be impossible... flight, electricity, computers... never would have been possible.

So if you think I've ever posted any scenario as if it will happen, think again.. for all I know everything could set up for this to be the logical destination for Lebron, and maybe he took a camping trip to Illinois when he was 14 and had a terrible time, vowing that he'd never live here... who knows?  Maybe he's friends with Jay Z, but maybe Jay Z has a cousin he's better friends with named Kay P, and maybe Kay P has ties to the Clippers....

And it wasn't for Carmelo Anthony, who I would never even want, because he's one of many NBA (non) stars who is more marketing than substance.

3.  Officially, I believer regardless of whether we trade for anyone or not, sign Lebron or not... we can build a very good team just by drafting around Rose.  I want to think of how we can create the best outcome, and some imagination is good.. because without imagination, Danny Ainge is still miserable and Ray Allen is in OKC with Garnett in that dump to the north... for the record, I'll believe any huge signing or trade when I see it....

[shangrila]

That Carmelo comment wasn't towards you. It was an example of something that came up a little while ago. I agree you can make a good team around Rose but people seem to be expecting big moves and with the roster they currently have there's just nothing there for a blockbuster.

[joehoo]

That Carmelo comment wasn't towards you. It was an example of something that came up a little while ago. I agree you can make a good team around Rose but people seem to be expecting big moves and with the roster they currently have there's just nothing there for a blockbuster.

I think that the thinking around Kaman, who isn't a great player by the way, was the same as Memphis' deal of Gasol...  with the economy taking a drastic downturn after Sterling signed Davis and tried to sign Brand, and with the rumors that Kaman might be available, the trade could end up being more about money than talent.

But in the backdrop of that is the idea that... we don't need to get Kaman.  If we draft Thabeet or the best center available, we're going to be fine.  I don't think we'll be out of the lotto by the time it's all said and done this year.  And then, if we were to somehow have Thabeet and Rose, I know village idiots who could get a good PF, SF and SG...

So Lebron, Kaman... whoever... if we get them great, but if we don't, the Bulls will be fine if they just slowly build around Derrick Rose.  Players will want to play with Rose and we won't be paying Hinrich and Nocioni a lot too much longer.  I don't think Thomas sticks, so in a couple years, if it's not Lebron, we'll have money for someone, if not in 2010, then in 2011.

By the way... if Rose improves and there is cap room and young players, don't discount WADE coming home to Chicago...

But if he doesn't, we'll be fine.

See, you want to talk homers?  Before we got Rose... I DIDNT think we'd be fine... but a ton of Bulls fans thought we were going to contend for championships, get this... with Deng, Hinrich, Gordon, Nocioni and Noah as our "core."  It was hilarious...

[shangrila]

I agree that Chicago is looking better. They're a decent frontcourt away from doing real damage. Trading away Wallace and Smith hurt them more then I bet they thought.

[joehoo]

I agree that Chicago is looking better. They're a decent frontcourt away from doing real damage. Trading away Wallace and Smith hurt them more then I bet they thought.

Trading Chandler and Curry, moreso Chandler, really hurt the most.  If you have Tyson Chandler right now, all you need is to find a SG/SF/PF trio that's suited to Rose driving to the basket... guys who can hit open shots and defend.. if they're super-athletic, that's great too... they basically traded Chandler for nothing... to save money.

[shangrila]

Was that Paxson?

[Mild Sauce]

Yeah, it was right after they signed Wallace. They felt like Chandler was a Wallace type of player and that they didn't need two of them on the team, so they let him go.

[HardFowl]

Yeah, it was right after they signed Wallace. They felt like Chandler was a Wallace type of player and that they didn't need two of them on the team, so they let him go.

that be correct

[shangrila]

Bad move I guess but they did look like contenders for a while after Wallace came.

[bulls4lif1]

I do not agree with a Derrick Rose and Dwayne Wade backcourt.  Both need the ball in there hands to create offense.  D-Wade is a slasher.  I think we need a player like Mike Miller or Joe Johnson, both are very good outside spot up shooters.  Obviously I want Bosh in 2010 because the bulls need a low post presence.  I do not think the answer is D-Wade.