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« on: December 08, 2008, 11:49:31 pm »
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GM:
 Fred Hoiberg or Flip Saunders

Coach:
 Sam Mitchell, Avery Johnson, or Flip Saunders

Starters:
 1. 1st round pick
 2. Miller
 3. Brewer or trade for Wallace if possible
 4. Jefferson
 5. 1st round pick or trade for Kaman if possible

Bench:
 1. Telfair
 1-2. Foye
 2-3. Carney or Brewer if we traded for Wallace
 3-4. Gomes
 4-5. Love
 5. Pekovic or 2nd round pick

Trade Block:
 Telfair- 2.7 expires in 3 years, backup point guard
 Ollie- 1.2 million expires this year
 McCants- 2.6 million expires this year, 2 guard prospect, scorer
 Carney- 1.6 million expires this year, 2-3 prospect
 Cadinal- 6.2 million expires next year
 Mandsen- 2.8 million expires next year
 Smith- 2.5 million expires next year, undersized 4, scorer
 Booth- 1.1 million expires this year
 Collins- 6.3 million expires this year, backup 5

Draft:
 1. Curry, Holiday, Jennings, or Rubio
 2. Harden, DeRozan, Henderson, or Evans
 3 Smith, Budinger, Farouq-Aminu, Clark, or Daye
 4. Griffin
 5. Thabeet, Mullens, or Ogilvy
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 01:08:37 am »
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I didn't know Saunders was a GM? I'll still take Hoidberg. Apparently he was opposed to a few things on draft day and before. If this means we draft good and keep it this year then I'm all for it.

I'm conflicted for the coach between Sam Mitchell and Avery Johnson. Johnson would be tougher defensively but Mitchell did a great job developing Bosh. If he could do something similar with Jefferson development-wise I'd pick him. But if we get Rubio in the draft I say we go with Johnson. I believe he was the reason for Devin Harris' development.

Starters; It all depends on who we get in the draft. If we get Rubio for example then Foye comes off the bench. But if we get Harden then Foye starts, Harden's at SG and Miller moves to SF. As for centre if we can get Kaman without giving up too much I'm all for it. Otherwise we should pick up a stop gap solution (maybe Connor Atchley in the draft or trade for someone like Jeff Foster) to play until Pekovic comes over.

I mostly agree with the rest.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 01:13:30 am »
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I didn't know Saunders was a GM? I'll still take Hoidberg. Apparently he was opposed to a few things on draft day and before. If this means we draft good and keep it this year then I'm all for it.

I'm conflicted for the coach between Sam Mitchell and Avery Johnson. Johnson would be tougher defensively but Mitchell did a great job developing Bosh. If he could do something similar with Jefferson development-wise I'd pick him. But if we get Rubio in the draft I say we go with Johnson. I believe he was the reason for Devin Harris' development.

Starters; It all depends on who we get in the draft. If we get Rubio for example then Foye comes off the bench. But if we get Harden then Foye starts, Harden's at SG and Miller moves to SF. As for centre if we can get Kaman without giving up too much I'm all for it. Otherwise we should pick up a stop gap solution (maybe Connor Atchley in the draft or trade for someone like Jeff Foster) to play until Pekovic comes over.

I mostly agree with the rest though personally I'd like to see this draft day scenario:

Our pick - Rubio: Franchise changing player, star point, etc
Miami pick - Aminu: Good compliment for Jefferson, versatile
Utah pick - Connor Atchley: Good defender that fits with Al offensively
Boston pick - Robert Vaden: Pure shooter. Develop him as a 3pt specialist.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 01:40:21 am »
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Hoiberg should become the full-time GM.  Depending on how well Kevin McHale does as coach then I'll make a decision there.  I'd take Sam Mitchell or Avery Johnson though at any point.

I really don't want to judge the squad though for the future right now.  We're only 19 games into this season.  I know we're not going to be to competitive but all this speculation is worthless.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 10:13:36 am »
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I have faith that Fred Hoiberg can be a good GM.

I don;t want Avery Johnson, I'd prefer Sam Mitchell. Avery is a great coach with emphasize on defense but it's tough to keep up with him at times. Rumours say personal issues were more responsible for Avery's firing than the team's play. I don;t want Taylor, the GM and Avery to clash, that won;t be good for the franchise.

Sam Mitchell for the win. He spent his best NBA players years here, I bet he has a soft spot for this team. He's a good coach, a good motivator and he knows how to develop young players in general.

As for draft needs; I'd go for James Harden/Demar DeRozan. We need an athletic scorer. We traded Roy, tyraded Mayo... we cannot afford to do the same mistake three times. Harden is currently the higher touted prospect, but I bet DeRozan has yet to explode this season.

Center? We don;t need to rpay Hasheem Thabeet falls down to around #15 so we can get him with Miami's pick. I'd wait for Nikola Pekovic. That guy is a BEAST.

But I agree - we need more veterans. PROVEN veterans. Like Mike Miller - just him alone is not enough. Rumorus are dying down but I'd really love to get Kaman or G-Force... or any other veteran at a similar price and production.
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 03:22:40 pm »
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Theres no way Rubio would want to play here if we had the chance to get him.  Somehow he will end up with the Knicks.  I think the best bet would to get Jennings and a decent center. I haven't been a fan of Corey Brewer and if this team is to go anywhere he will not be a starter.

I think Avery would be a good coach but I don't know if I could stand going to a Wolve's game and listening to his god awful annoying voice for 48 minutes.  I personally wouldn't mind seeing Mitchell as the next coach.  Where is Stan Van Gundy?

I would love to have Hoiberg as a GM.  I think it's a great position for him
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 08:54:51 pm »
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wtf why would Rubio not want to play here? He's not some egotistical loser that already thinks he's a superduperstar like Mayo.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 09:59:32 pm »
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Euro stars always want to play for big cities.  Even if we draft Rubio he would be gone after his rookie contract.  Rubio is as big of a superstar over there as Lebron is over here.  No way he wants to be in Minnesota.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 10:47:15 pm »
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I doubt it but alright.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 09:37:08 am »
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Quote from: "wolvesfan41"
Euro stars always want to play for big cities.  Even if we draft Rubio he would be gone after his rookie contract.  Rubio is as big of a superstar over there as Lebron is over here.  No way he wants to be in Minnesota.

And Jasikevicius choosing Indiana out of all teams proves that? Wink

Sorry, that has no relevance. Of course Rubio would love to play in NY or LA, but he's 18 and hasn't had that ego-boom yet. And that's thinking he'll have it anyway. If he gets drafted by a lesser market team he won;t pout - he'll have 15 years of NBA in front of him, so he'll do his best.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 10:39:03 am »
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I was thinking more about Yi and Gallinari the past couple of years.  It's very possible that Rubio doesn't come out net year.  I think we'd be better off with Jennings anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 11:50:30 am »
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I was thinking more about Yi and Gallinari the past couple of years.  It's very possible that Rubio doesn't come out net year.  I think we'd be better off with Jennings anyway.

Jennings is all about (yet unfulfilled) potential. I'm tired of such players.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 01:34:19 pm »
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I don't want to keep going on with this because I doubt we get either but you could say the same about Rubio.  He has great potential to be really good in the NBA but he hasn't proven that he can play the NBA game yet (or any style of American basketball for that matter).

BTW: I'm all for having Jim Peterson as an assistant on the next coaching staff and trading or getting rid of McCants and Brewer.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 03:10:33 pm »
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If Rubio doesn't declare we would have to draft Harden and if he wasn't available then we'd have to look at Thabeet. Jennings has terrible shot selection and will never be the defender we need at the point. Might as well stick with the Foye-Telfair combo and upgrade some of our worse positions.

What we need out of this draft is star potential. If we can't get it then get some guys so we're not playing everyone out of position. Maybe a Thabeet-Evans combo would be a decent pickup. Point is this draft will be an important one for us.

We finally have a group of GMs that understand short term fixes do nothing for the long term. Stack signed the contracts this season and look at players like Gomes' and Telfair's contracts. We didn't overpay anyone this summer and that's what I was most worried about.

And Hoidberg has always been good in the draft. It was reported that it was him and Stack pushing for Mayo to be picked 3rd when McHale was pushing for Love.

I think things are finally looking up for us.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 05:36:14 pm »
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Obviously this draft is important to us and obviously we need star potential.  It's not like the Wolves are just 1 piece away from being a championship contender.  

What do you mean Hoiberg has always been good in the draft?  What has he been around for like 2 years now?  Hopefully he wasn't part of that ridiculous decision 2 years ago to take Corey Brewer over Thad Young, Al Thornton, Rodney Stuckey etc. in the 1st round and Chris Richard over Marc Gasol and Ramon Sessions in the 2nd round; we could have had possibily 2 starters from that draft and ended up with 2 pieces of trash. I was far more disappointed that draft night than I was when I woke up to find out that we traded Mayo for Love.
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