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« on: January 01, 2009, 02:24:32 pm »
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On draft day 2007, I went to sleep that night saying "Alright we got a solid player with Noah", but with how he has been playing lately i was wrong (Besides yesterdays game) I know we didnt need some of these positions but sometimes its better to draft potential then just a scrub at the position you need. Just for thought , check out some of the players we passed up on....

Thaddeus Young
Julian Wright
AL THORNTON- Should of picked him
Rodney Stuckey
Rudy Fernandez
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 03:51:15 pm »
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Quote from: "ChitownBulls"
On draft day 2007, I went to sleep that night saying "Alright we got a solid player with Noah", but with how he has been playing lately i was wrong (Besides yesterdays game) I know we didnt need some of these positions but sometimes its better to draft potential then just a scrub at the position you need. Just for thought , check out some of the players we passed up on....

Thaddeus Young
Julian Wright
AL THORNTON- Should of picked him
Rodney Stuckey
Rudy Fernandez


I liked the pick back then and I like it now.

At the time we did not need a small forward, a point guard or a shooting guard.  So none of those guys you listed were on our radar at all.

Noah has been playing well lately and he still has the potential to be a double-double man who works as a very good role player.  I think he's worth keeping another year or two to see if he can reach his potential; that is, of course, unless we can upgrade the 5 in some kind of blockbuster move.
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 04:27:48 pm »
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Chicago needed a centre more then any other position and Noah has been alrite. The only player I'd say they should have drafted would have been Spencer Hawes but even that's debatable. Noah did a decent job on Howard when I was watching that Orlando game.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 06:12:05 pm »
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At the time I was still a subscriber to the 'draft solid players from winning programs' school of thought. Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Noah in the same category. Having seen that play out it may not be the best plan. It seems too often these type of players suffer, as well as the team, when the game isn't all teamwork but more individual play is required and they have to do things outside their normal range.  

I think Noah was the wrong pick because he is still a project. Saying that he brings energy, hustle and all that means he doesn't have much of a game for such a high pick and Paxson should have known that when they picked him. You can get an undrafted free agent who plays hard, hustles and brings energy, Scott Williams of the first threepeat is a perfect example, and not spend a lottery pick on a player more limited than Williams ever was.

I would rather draft the best basketball player than the athletism or upside or potential. dribbling, shooting, rebounding and defense are skills you can see and gauge that they fit the NBA game. Just because a guy can run fast and jump over the backboard doesn't mean he will develop basketball skills.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 07:09:34 pm »
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How much potentail does Noah have in him? I dont think any, the guy went to Florida for what ...4 years? and couldnt fully develope there, hes done with potential, plain an simple hes weak, has no offense, trouble in the locker room an when your picked in the top ten you should easily get at least double digit points almost every night. Noah is horrible and he needs to go, you can tell he didnt practice at all on his game during the summer, his stamina suffered, his offense? Theres Jr High kids with better offensive game then he has. He sucks and we should throw him in a deal to get rid of him.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 07:10:50 pm »
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Saying Noah is a center makes me laugh, he doesnt even do the jump ball in the beginning of the game, hes garbage.
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 09:06:34 pm »
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I hated the pick then, hate it now.

Would've much rather had Hawes or even Sean Williams than Joker Noah.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 09:28:41 pm »
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I never thought Noah was any good. I still don't think he's any good now. His numbers, which aren't very good anyway, are greatly inflated because he plays for the team with the weakest frontcourt in the NBA.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 12:15:14 am »
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I hated the pick at the time, I thought Hawes would be a much better pick, and now it's looking like I was right. After last year I was actually eating my words, as Noah was starting to look good, but obviously he doesn't have the want to really make the team better. I think the other day was actually his first real good game all season.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 12:44:53 am »
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I never thought Noah was any good. I still don't think he's any good now. His numbers, which aren't very good anyway, are greatly inflated because he plays for the team with the weakest frontcourt in the NBA.


I understand your reasoning for thinking that his numbers are inflated, but it can be easily be countered by saying that he doesn't get many touches due to the system that he plays in.  The Bulls are a backcourt-oriented team offensively.  And his role is get points by garbage baskets or the occasional post play.

In terms of rebounding, he's the second-leading rebounder on a team that ranks 13th in rebounding in the league.  Hence, you can make an argument that his rebounding statistics are deflated since his numbers would most likely be much higher on a poorer rebounding team.  For example, if he were to play for, let's say, your beloved Portland Trailblazers, his rebounding numbers should theoretically improve.  In addition, if you look at his efficiency, he should be averaging approximately 11 rpg if he was averaging starters' minutes.

Guess what?  Here are his statistics for the three games he's played this season where he played 30+ mpg.

Game 1 = 9 points, 14 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal

Game 2 = 8 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks, 1 assist, 1 steal

Game 3 = 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block

Those are solid numbers.  And if you take a look at his efficiency from last season to this season, you'll see that he has dropped a bit offensively, but his rebounding efficiency has improved a great deal - as well as his shot-blocking.

The guy is only 23 years old, he's only in his second season and he's got potential to be a very good role player.  There's a reason the Bulls have not been willing to include him in potential deals.  And that's because he's a potential valuable piece down the road.

The last thing the Bulls should want is to lose another potential Tyson Chandler before he develops.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 12:58:34 am »
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i was never a fan of drafting him.  but they needed a big, and he plays with passion (sure he's a huge goof).  but like someone said, it is only his 2nd year, so he could potentially develop into a decent player.  with a bulls team full of guys that play lack lusterly (not a word), you need a guy that has some energy and emotion.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 01:03:30 am »
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Joakim Noah wouldn't even get minutes if he played on the Trail Blazers.  Aldridge and Channing Frye are waaaaaaay better PF.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 01:12:28 am »
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LOL at you Greenwing
First off Noah would not even see the floor most likely in Portland as he would play behind.Oden,Pryzbilla,Aldridge and Outlaw
 
 Second Portland is a very good rebounding team with the #1 and #5 players in rebound rate in Pryz and Oden respectively.Noah is 17th in rebound rate.Don't believe me here is Hollingers statistical analysis
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=reb&pos=all&seasonType=2&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dreb%26pos%3dall%26seasonType%3d2
 As to your 3 games I don't know where/when games 1 and 2 were but game 3 was a blowout loss to Orlando the other night.How many of his points and rebounds came in the late third and fourth quarters with the Magic up 20+?
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Portland record 54-28
Chicago record 41-41
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 01:14:32 am »
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LOL at you Greenwing
First off Noah would not even see the floor most likely in Portland as he would play behind.Oden,Pryzbilla,Aldridge and Outlaw
 
 Second Portland is a very good rebounding team with the #1 and #5 players in rebound rate in Pryz and Oden respectively.Noah is 17th in rebound rate.Don't believe me here is Hollingers statistical analysis
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=reb&pos=all&seasonType=2&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dreb%26pos%3dall%26seasonType%3d2
 As to your 3 games I don't know where/when games 1 and 2 were but game 3 was a blowout loss to Orlando the other night.How many of his points and rebounds came in the late third and fourth quarters with the Magic up 20+?
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Finally, I'm going to state this right now.  The Bulls will have a better record next season that the Portland Trailblazers.
Portland record 54-28
Chicago record 41-41
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 01:24:49 am »
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Portland  is also the #2 rebound rate team in the NBA according to Hollinger
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=rr&seasonType=2&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3drr%26seasonType%3d2%26league%3dnba
Chicago is #22 by the way
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Finally, I'm going to state this right now.  The Bulls will have a better record next season that the Portland Trailblazers.
Portland record 54-28
Chicago record 41-41
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