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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2009, 11:58:38 am »
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Trying to develop a defensive mindset is ALWAYS a good idea. A team which scores 140ppg but plays no D has never won a championship. And that's all that matters here.

We do not have to be the new Celtics, but look what Skiles did to a once horrible defensively Bucks team. He taught them how to play team defense (without any major anchors nor stoppers on the roster). That's the only reason they're still sitting in the 8th seed after Redd and Bogut ended their seasons.

That is something we need here. A coach who can at least point them in the right direction on defense. It will not make us scare the league... but it will make the Wolves bearable on D. The offense will come anyway, we have enough talented performers on that end.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2009, 04:00:59 am »
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this team isn't the worst defensive team now, saunders would only make them better, at least respectable, he's not mike d'antoni

but in the meanwhile he'll vastly improve the offense
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2009, 04:16:40 am »
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I agree on Flip Saunders - the team played better D under him than under "defensive specialist" Dwane Casey. And Casey was still a way better coach than Wittman.

But Saunders is not a good teacher. Only 1st round pick that turned out well under him was Wally Szczerbiak (and well, Garnett, obviously... but he'd turn out well even under Isiah Thomas). That's why for this team I'd prefer to see Sam Mitchell. He could teach and coach at the same time and I believe he has a greater chance of developing guys like Al, Foye, Love, Brewer than Saunders.

And he's a fan favorite in Minnesota just as Flip.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2009, 03:12:15 pm »
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there's something about sam mitchell's coaching that to me is a tad bit overrated, he's only had 1 year where he's turned some heads with results, its like he has really good moments and really bad moments, outside of the 06-07' season what has he done?

his coaching is slightly above average, and i use that word lightly

he's not holding a candle to the resume' of flip
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2009, 09:48:46 pm »
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It's hard for any coach to make an impact when most of your team is full of D League players. Sam Mitchell did alot better then he should have with some of the teams Toronto put out there.
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2009, 05:40:05 pm »
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It's hard for any coach to make an impact when most of your team is full of D League players. Sam Mitchell did alot better then he should have with some of the teams Toronto put out there.

alot of that comes down to opinion, because the raptors under mitchell were only a good team once
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2009, 11:04:26 pm »
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Not really. For example, any team that has Anthony Parker as their only shooting guard and a combination of Joey Graham, Jamario Moon and Jason Kapono as their small forward rotation along with no backup point guard is doomed to fail.

He had them playing good last year but I think the team didn't realise how much they'd miss TJ Ford. Without him they lost their only credible 2nd option and the only player on that team outside of Bosh that could create for himself.

The fact is that the entire team was poorly constructed from the start and had been for awhile. TJ Ford was keeping them afloat but they backed the wrong horse.
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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2009, 04:53:54 am »
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mitchell and colangelo both played a big role in the ford move as well as the fact they had no depth, look at the way sam coaches
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2009, 04:59:00 pm »
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mitchell and colangelo both played a big role in the ford move as well as the fact they had no depth, look at the way sam coaches

Yes, both played a role in it but I don't see how that's relevant. The team lost Delfino and Garbajosa to Europe and traded away Rasho+Ford to get what is now Marion. They got significantly worse due to lack of players, not because of coaching. Sam did a fine job in 06/07, and not bad in 07/08, and was doing mediocre until his firing only 17 games into the season. I thought it became obvious that coaching was not the problem after they continued to stink even with Triano at the helm.
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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2009, 05:24:57 pm »
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mitchell and colangelo both played a big role in the ford move as well as the fact they had no depth, look at the way sam coaches

Yes, both played a role in it but I don't see how that's relevant. The team lost Delfino and Garbajosa to Europe and traded away Rasho+Ford to get what is now Marion. They got significantly worse due to lack of players, not because of coaching. Sam did a fine job in 06/07, and not bad in 07/08, and was doing mediocre until his firing only 17 games into the season. I thought it became obvious that coaching was not the problem after they continued to stink even with Triano at the helm.
even with all that talent over the years they were only good "once", that tells you something, flip is the better guy
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« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2009, 07:30:23 pm »
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No...they did good when they had the talent; and failed when they traded it away.
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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2009, 05:38:51 am »
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No...they did good when they had the talent; and failed when they traded it away.

the first couple season in toronto mitchell had solid but not great talent and did absolutely nothing
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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2009, 11:56:21 am »
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As an outsider, but someone who likes the T-Wolves I think creating a new identity would be good. By that I mean going to a more defensive mindset because not only is the way I think you ultimately have to approach things, but good defense will always keep you in a game when shots just aren't falling. I think someone like Sam Mitchell or maybe an assistant who has a good defensive mindset. I think there are some good parts in Minnesota so hopefully the next coach can utilize them and draft and sign some other good pieces.
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« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2009, 10:31:25 pm »
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I agree. We need strong team defence to make up for our individual defence.

But the most important thing is to bring in someone that has a plan. The last 13 years have been filled with stop gap solutions and quick fixes that have gotten us nowhere. Someone that knows what they're doing and knows exactly what they want from the players would be good.
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« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2009, 01:25:52 pm »
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I agree that whoever comes in will need to have a plan/vision of what they want/expect from their players. However, going a step further you also need someone that can get your current and future players to buy in to the system. There are a lot of coaches who have plans but the players don't buy in so it is all for not. So someone who can come in with a plan and really sell it to your players is necessary.
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