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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2009, 10:09:12 pm »
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Yeah, we already have a Miller, 10 years his junior. You know, Andrea "bedshitter" Bargnani.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2009, 11:03:07 pm »
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Amen to that, and he has a better nickname than Brad Miller.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2009, 12:21:54 am »
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Im not sure if Brad Miller can get traded with another player because of his contract...i tried it on espn trade machine. Pick and pop all day with Bosh...what one are you going to gaurd...D Rose driving the lane or a wide open Chris Bosh. If you go after Bosh hard...he will just put it on the floor and drive right past you. That would be a great 1 2 combination. Plus we will still have enough solid pieces around our team.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2009, 08:18:22 am »
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Don't we have enough young bigs on this team?

Considering how long it takes to develop a big man, I don't see the draft as being the answer to that.  Paxson needs to do ANYTHING to get a Stoudemire/Bosh or basically any top tier free agent/disgruntled player to team up with Rose. 

Enough with the young 'ens, it's time to add some top-talent vets to this team.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2009, 10:07:11 am »
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Bulls should try to make a run at Jordan Hill. He has what the Bulls are missing. Plus, I think we have the advantages to get him. Maybe give up Tyrus and the picks. I can see that happening.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2009, 11:36:37 am »
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you know, i'd absolutely love to get jordan hill.  he might even slip out of the top 5, which would make getting him possible.  guy plays hard on both ends, has some nice post moves and good athleticism and is an absolute warrior..he was injured all year and still played just about every game and averaged around 20/10.  he's still a little raw and will need time to catch up to the nba, but he's a great prospect.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2009, 11:48:41 am »
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i think they need some strong players who can defend the paint, thats my #1 priority and then #2 get people who can finish around the basket despite contact on a nightly basis... thats priority #1a
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ben gordon was a guy he trusted and always passed to when he was open.  those other guys are not the kind of shooters i'm talking about, they are more mid range guys.  how many times did we see rose get hinrich, deng or salmons a wide open shot and those guys would pump fake then try to step in to get a better shot and end up passing up a wide open 3 for a contested 20 footer? they are not the kind of guy's rose needs.  i said when he was drafted that deng and hinrich had to go and
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2009, 12:57:29 pm »
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Yea i agree with Grazzle...Tyrus cant finish through contact and same goes for Noah...but anyways...a Jordan Hill trade wouldnt be bad. I can see Hill putting up numbers similair to Al Horford in his 1st year. He also has a very good looking jumper that will only get better.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2009, 01:37:56 pm »
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Remember when no one wanted to have anything to do with our players? Well that seems to all but blew over and there is alot of interest in our guys. I like making a move for Jordan Hill. Tyrus and th 16th pick should be enough. Also, Now the talk is Portland's interested in Hinrich. What about trying to get Prizbilla for Hinrich.

The good thing is that our players have interest now, and Paxson has pieces to move around, rather it be because of talent, potential or just a short contract. This summer should be interesting.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2009, 01:46:26 pm »
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Tyrus and moving a pick for Jordan Hill doesn't really make sense... and Portland has liked Hinrich for 2 years now? I'll believe a deal when I see it
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ben gordon was a guy he trusted and always passed to when he was open.  those other guys are not the kind of shooters i'm talking about, they are more mid range guys.  how many times did we see rose get hinrich, deng or salmons a wide open shot and those guys would pump fake then try to step in to get a better shot and end up passing up a wide open 3 for a contested 20 footer? they are not the kind of guy's rose needs.  i said when he was drafted that deng and hinrich had to go and
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2009, 02:03:19 pm »
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Remember when no one wanted to have anything to do with our players? Well that seems to all but blew over and there is alot of interest in our guys. I like making a move for Jordan Hill. Tyrus and th 16th pick should be enough. Also, Now the talk is Portland's interested in Hinrich. What about trying to get Prizbilla for Hinrich.

The good thing is that our players have interest now, and Paxson has pieces to move around, rather it be because of talent, potential or just a short contract. This summer should be interesting.

You would move Tyrus and a mid-first round pick for Jordan Hill?  Why?  That's an awful lot of value to move for a prospect in a weak draft.
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2009, 02:09:35 pm »
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true. But they should pursue thier options and Tyrus is a piece I don't see working out here long term. Basically he would have next year to prove himself. I just see Tyrus becoming and inside scorer and we have no need for another mid range jump shooter.
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2009, 03:22:29 pm »
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I think the Bulls need to go with a big trade and package Hinrich and Tyrus if possible. Teams like Tyrus a lot, so let them try to help this kid...his IQ is just horrible on the offensive end...Tyrus is my man but if you want to win now, i dont see him helping us. It takes a normal person a couple of weeks to get bigger and stronger...and yet we havent seen much out of Tyrus. Our guys need to hit the weights!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2009, 03:32:31 pm »
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Rule #1 to trading.  You never, ever trade a proven guy for a rookie.  If you move a proven player like Tyrus for a guaranteed impact rookie, then you do it.  Jordan Hill is by no means a guaranteed  impact player, so why would the Bulls trade Tyrus, who they have been developing for years, for a rookie who they Bulls would have to restart the development process.  I rather have Tyrus now, knowing what i am getting with him than to trade him for a rookie that could be great but runs a huge risk of being a bust.
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2009, 04:55:52 pm »
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Don't we have enough young bigs on this team?

Considering how long it takes to develop a big man, I don't see the draft as being the answer to that.  Paxson needs to do ANYTHING to get a Stoudemire/Bosh or basically any top tier free agent/disgruntled player to team up with Rose. 

Enough with the young 'ens, it's time to add some top-talent vets to this team.

Umm, no, we don't....

First of all, we have one legit CENTER on this team.  As I've told all of you over and over again, CENTER is a separate position from power forward, there is no such thing as a "big."  Why is the term "big" so stupid?  Because anything that includes Dwight Howard or Yao Ming and Tyrus Thomas in the same grouping is too general of a term. 

Second, the legit CENTER that we do have, Brad Miller, is old and getting older rapidly.  If we plan on contending for the finals, he's good for about 24 minutes a game by the playoffs next year, and less in 2011. 

So we need a center.  Do we need a superstar center like Howard or Yao?  No.  Everyone knows you only ever get one of those if you luck into the #1 pick in the right draft OR if you're the Lakers. 

Isn't it funny that the Lakers have 10 titles, all with dominant CENTERS?  Isn't it funny that despite how you may be reading this and thinking "hey, but Magic, hey but Kobe" you have to stop and realize that in 6 seasons without Abdul-Jabbar and O'neal, Magic and Kobe have combined for ZERO championships?  Do you see how stupid you are if you ever for one second doubt the center position?

Isn't it funny that despite relative worth, the top 2 seeds in each conference have the following players starting at center:

Andrew Bynum 7'0" 275
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 7'3" 260
Nene Hilario 6'10" 250
Kedrick Perkins 6'10" 280

Perkins isn't worth a damn to me in terms of ability separate of size, but Boston's thinking is clearly "hey, if we can't have a guy who is 280 lbs. AND skilled down there, we might as well just take the guy who is at least 280." 

The NBA positions run across the following spectrum:

Quickness - Power

PGs are the quickest, centers have the most power... 

It's THAT easy.  There's no way around it, denying it will get you beat like a rag doll late in the playoffs.  There's no such thing as a guard who is better than a quicker guard because he's stronger.  There's no such thing as a 6'11" 225 lb. center who is better than a 280 lb. center because he's faster.  Not when all other things are remotely equal.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't be SO bad at something that it takes you out of the mix.  The quickest guard in the world is worthless if he handles the rock like Von Wafer (I don't know if you figured it out as quick as I did, but it took me about 5 minutes to realize that all Adelman has to do to shoot himself in the face in that series is to keep Wafer on the floor).  The biggest center in the world is worthless if he's as slow as Aaron Gray.  You can keep going down the line.  A guard with Stephon Marbury's quickness when he was young... is worthless if he has no vision and no desire to distribute the basketball. 

Do you actually for a second doubt that my spectrum rules NBA play?  Okay... why is it that Michael Jordan won without a center, even when he faced backboard erasers like Ewing, Motumbo and Mourning, but Kobe has been relegated to glorified jumpshooting status by Yao Ming?  Answer is so easy... Jordan's quickness would blow by Battier all day and that play where Kobe got the foul and the layup against Ming would be happening 15 times a game.  Kobe on the other hand allows Battier to keep him on the perimeter with a little zone shade help. 

USUALLY, Kobe can rely on the power of the extraordinary center help he's always been given in O'neal, Bynum and Gasol (Laker alleged "game defining" superstar guards always seem to NEED a center, ever notice that).  But against the Rockets, the power of Ming completely nullifies Bynum and Gasol.  Whereas Kobe is usually bailed out by his lack of ability to attack the basket like Wade or Jordan, because he can always go to his bread and butter (a pass to O'neal/Bynum/Gasol and then watching them do what 7'0" 260+, back-to-the-basket centers do), in this series, he has to take it to the basket.  When Kobe is in a series where his center is nullified to the point where HE has to attack the basket, he ALWAYS loses. 

Want to continue?  Why is it that the Rockets are better without McGrady?  Let's face it.  If McGrady and Dennis Scott are in a jumpshooting contest, who wins?  Scott.  That's why superstar guards must either attack the basket or go away.  The most athletic guards never shoot the basketball like Reggie Miller.  Therefore if you can't drive, and you're forced to shoot jumpers, you leave the educated basketball mind asking the question I want you to never forget... "hey, if you're just gonna shoot jumpers, why don't we trade you for Glen Rice... I mean if THAT is ALL you're doing, I'd rather have HIM than YOU." 

That's what makes Derrick Rose so valuable.  He has the quickness where Barkley will end up saying this like he said about Aaron Brooks, "did you notice they couldn't keep Rose in front of them?"  He also has the leaping ability to attack the basket close, and the size to follow through on layups and dunks.  He's not slow and unlike Brooks, he's not anemic or short. 

Teams that lack quickness at guard and teams that lack power at center will always be exploited late in the playoffs. 

So if you look at our loss to Boston and you think to yourself "we need a scoring PF" or "we have enough big men"... you're a moron.  It's about that easy. 
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