Make some speculation or a rumor work

[ChettheJet]

How about a simple exercise, take some speculation or a rumor you've read somewhere (like hoopshype rumor page) and see how it could work for the Bulls.

Speculation saying that Washington would be willing to trade down from #5 if they could get some cap relief in the process.

So would they trade down to 16, along with Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah and Tim Thomas and give the Bulls Antwan Jameson and Javale McGee. It's not an even deal on talent but the Wizards are shaving 2 years and $30 million off their payroll, that's their primary reason for trading, saving money on a very large payroll. They get two young front court players for one and still have Arenas, Butler and Young, Blatche and Haywood, add Noah and Tyrus to find starters with Crittenton, Stevenson and Tim off the bench.

The Bulls then start Jameson and Deng, McGee, Rose and Salmons. Miller comes off the bench with Hinrich, Gordon if the sign him, the number 5 pick. They still have the expiring contracts of James and Miller going forward.

[Mild Sauce]

I actually don't want Jamison because of his contract. The fact that he doesn't play defense doesn't help, but he is a good player, but he'll be under contract by the time he's 36, and I wonder how good he'll be by that point.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and do the Shaq trade:

Bulls get: Shaq
Suns get: Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, and Luol Deng

Bulls obviously lose out on talent here, but this deal not only gives them the option to easily bring Gordon back without compromising 2010, the Bulls will possibly be able to get 2 stars (if there's that many leaving their current teams) during that summer. The Bulls could also go for the one star and multiple very good role players.

[ChitownBulls]

As far as rumors go....ill go with the Shaq trade (Im doubting that trade would happen though),and as for realistic trades, ill go with the Mike Miller and 18th pick trade for Hinrich.

[ChettheJet]

I thought I might be suggesting getting too much from WASH in the deal but then I see this from the Yannis guy on hoopsworld

 

I recently suggested Etan Thomas/Mike James/Nick Young/#5 for Manu/Oberto.

Come on two expiring contracts, a good young scorer AND the #5 pick for an increasingly injured Ginobli and a big man the the Wiz doesn't even need. Makes my idea make even more sense because it helps WASH cut payroll over the long term.

[Jason Rubin]

I actually don't want Jamison because of his contract. The fact that he doesn't play defense doesn't help, but he is a good player, but he'll be under contract by the time he's 36, and I wonder how good he'll be by that point.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and do the Shaq trade:

Bulls get: Shaq
Suns get: Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, and Luol Deng

Bulls obviously lose out on talent here, but this deal not only gives them the option to easily bring Gordon back without compromising 2010, the Bulls will possibly be able to get 2 stars (if there's that many leaving their current teams) during that summer. The Bulls could also go for the one star and multiple very good role players.

1. That's too much for Shaq

2. The deal is supposedly Shaq for Luol Deng, Tim Thomas and Jerome James

[Mild Sauce]

The big picture is what you need to look at with that trade. Shaq has a $20 million dollar deal for next year. This deal would save the Bulls some serious money for the 2010 season. Even if the Bulls can only get one star with all their money available in 2010, having that money available will pretty much give them the rights to any role player they want. It's not a talent deal, it's a deal to set the team up for the future. Shaq can give you 16 and 8 next year over 70 games if you use him right, that's pretty nice. However, it's what you get in the future that's the big deal there, and that far surpasses what they'd be giving up.

[ChitownBulls]

Plus if you grab Shaq, no other team can get him and  have that kind of cap space....Cleveland rumors are heating up again...if they trade for Shaq, LeBron is staying because then Cleveland will be able to sign another big time star to play with him in Cleveland...Bosh or Amare. Watch out....dynasty.

[ChitownBulls]

Looking at the Hoopshype rumors today....already some signs of what i saying a while ago....Bosh likes Miami, and Cleveland wants Shaq for cap space.

[ChettheJet]

So how does the Shaq to CLE trade (if it goes for someting like Wallace and Sasha P) affect the Bulls chances of getting Stoudemire? And we know who thinks he's damaged goods, like no one ever came back from an injury.

If they deal Shaq does Phoenix still want to trade Stoudemire? Would they think they could play Wallace and Lopez together with maybe Tyrus Thomas coming over from the Bulls to add to that mix. Wallace leaves after next year and they have a young less expensive 4-5 combo. With Hinrich and Tim Thomas in the deal.

It would seem to depend on Phoenix wanting to overhaul their team quickly or just shed Shaq's contract as this summer's move then more at the trade deadline and more in summer 2010.

[vitalnerve]

trading both players means the suns are ready to knock their team down and build from the ground up..and if that's their plan the best thing they could do is let shaq expire anyways, so i doubt they are both moved.  i'd take either one in a trade for different reasons, but they might get better offers elsewhere.

[Mild Sauce]

Don't the Suns also have Nash expiring soon too?

[ChitownBulls]

Suns will keep Amare imo.... or try to anyway. The Shaq trade could affect alot of things in 2010...Cleveland will be a top FA spot, Phoenix might not trade STAT then. So the Bulls would just have to hope they can pry away either Bosh (who supposely is interested in Miami) OR STAT who might choose Cleveland.

[hopsy24]

With Minnesota changing of the guard...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ljnjg8
I'd even throw in a draft pick with this trade although ESPN says it is good the way it is

[tchman58]

that actually looks like a decent trade.  i think minnesota would want to exchange 16th and 18th with the bulls, and then probably take mullens with it. 

[No Pressure]

With Minnesota changing of the guard...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ljnjg8
I'd even throw in a draft pick with this trade although ESPN says it is good the way it is

bleh i wouldn't take it.  Hinrich is worth a Miller+someone and i honestly would rather have Tyrus than Love.