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« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2009, 04:13:27 pm » |
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Even if Noah does get stronger he has almost no offensive game. He is a great backup 5/4, not a starter, not with Tyrus next to him. Both of them are undersized and both have little offensive skills. One of them has to go or except a backup role for this team to improve. Brad Miller is getting old and wont be around much longer, do you remember how this team played before he got here, with Tyrus and Noah as our starting 4 & 5. I do not want to return to that.
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« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2009, 04:31:38 pm » |
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Even if Noah does get stronger he has almost no offensive game. He is a great backup 5/4, not a starter, not with Tyrus next to him. Both of them are undersized and both have little offensive skills. One of them has to go or except a backup role for this team to improve. Brad Miller is getting old and wont be around much longer, do you remember how this team played before he got here, with Tyrus and Noah as our starting 4 & 5. I do not want to return to that.
uhhh, the Bulls went the entire season with Tyrus at the 4 and Noah at the 5. Miller did not start a single game. |
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« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2009, 04:56:54 pm » |
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I think Camby is 1 of the more overated man 2 man defenders in the league, Chandler is actually strong and Biedrins I don't really pay attention to much to comment. He's never gonna be a starting center on a championship team. Give me the Perkins, Dampier's and those other tall big physical centers over a Joakim Noah anyday of the week. I just really can't believe people are complaining about moving up 5 selections to draft a 7ft, 260 center for a team that has showed they badly need one, give it a rest already.
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Bulls / Bills / Marlins / Noles ben gordon was a guy he trusted and always passed to when he was open. those other guys are not the kind of shooters i'm talking about, they are more mid range guys. how many times did we see rose get hinrich, deng or salmons a wide open shot and those guys would pump fake then try to step in to get a better shot and end up passing up a wide open 3 for a contested 20 footer? they are not the kind of guy's rose needs. i said when he was drafted that deng and hinrich had to go and |
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« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2009, 06:15:58 pm » |
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I think Camby is 1 of the more overated man 2 man defenders in the league, Chandler is actually strong and Biedrins I don't really pay attention to much to comment. He's never gonna be a starting center on a championship team. Give me the Perkins, Dampier's and those other tall big physical centers over a Joakim Noah anyday of the week. I just really can't believe people are complaining about moving up 5 selections to draft a 7ft, 260 center for a team that has showed they badly need one, give it a rest already.
Well I am glad you are not the GM of the bulls becuase anyone with a pulse can trade for Dampier and his terrible contract, who by the way average less rebounds and points than Noah despite playing next to an all star PF in Dirk (who is also a poor rebounder)...Damp was so good he lost his playing time to 6'7" PF. The only reason Perkins won a title was because he was playing next to one of the best PF of all time. Camby is a good defend just poor at defending the pick and roll. I would rather have Noah than either of those guys. Plus can you imagine those guys running the floor, do you remember how tired Perkins was at the end those playoff games (before he fouled out), he couldn't keep up with a fast pace game, which is why he never played at the end of games the year before when KG was healthy. The NBA is going to fast pace game, and if you pair Noah with an All star PF he will be fine. |
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« Reply #79 on: June 21, 2009, 06:25:50 pm » |
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I think Camby is 1 of the more overated man 2 man defenders in the league, Chandler is actually strong and Biedrins I don't really pay attention to much to comment. He's never gonna be a starting center on a championship team. Give me the Perkins, Dampier's and those other tall big physical centers over a Joakim Noah anyday of the week. I just really can't believe people are complaining about moving up 5 selections to draft a 7ft, 260 center for a team that has showed they badly need one, give it a rest already.
Well I am glad you are not the GM of the bulls becuase anyone with a pulse can trade for Dampier and his terrible contract, who by the way average less rebounds and points than Noah despite playing next to an all star PF in Dirk (who is also a poor rebounder)...Damp was so good he lost his playing time to 6'7" PF. The only reason Perkins won a title was because he was playing next to one of the best PF of all time. Camby is a good defend just poor at defending the pick and roll. I would rather have Noah than either of those guys. Plus can you imagine those guys running the floor, do you remember how tired Perkins was at the end those playoff games (before he fouled out), he couldn't keep up with a fast pace game, which is why he never played at the end of games the year before when KG was healthy. The NBA is going to fast pace game, and if you pair Noah with an All star PF he will be fine. lol grazzle wants Dampier. I'm not gonna forget that one.  |
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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2009, 07:02:00 pm » |
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He never really said he wants him, just that he's a better option for center than Noah.
Also, how is Dirk a poor rebounder? At 8.4 per game he was 17th in the league last year, That's not poor at all.
Anyway, back to Noah, while he plays center for the Bulls (usually), I also don't think that he's a real center. He gets shoved around like a rag doll on a regular basis. He's just too weak to really be more than a mediocre center in the league.
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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2009, 07:33:31 pm » |
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This whole Dejuan Blair notion didn't start popping up until people whom never watched a Bulls game decided that they should watch the Celtics and Bulls series. Just so happen, everyone kept seeing Noah and Tyrus get pounded away by Perkins and Davis. So in turn, they are high on Dejuan Blair for us at 16, when they don't have a clue what our major liability is. It's still low post scoring and it's going to be that way. I know BJ Mullens had a bad reputation with his OU teammates. I scouted him in the Butler game, so I should know. It was times where him and Diebler butted heads and Evan Turner gave him so unkind gestures. I still think he will prevent matchup problems on the next level as he gets stronger and become more keen in his skill development. He compares his game to Stoudemire and Nowitzki from a "approach" standpoint. Both of those guys had red flags coming into the NBA and they panned out perfect. Well, I see the same thing with Mullens, people are trying to critique him while not giving him a opportunity. Face it, Blair will have his size exposed by taller playing like Dirk to Howard. You can't come in the league with a 6'6'' frame and expect to overpower guys like he did the premature Thabeet. It won't happen. His knees are questionable and he'll be idle before you know it. He's like the Dwayne Wade of inevitability with injury proneness. Then there's Tyler Hansbrough, haven't I saw this episode before with Morrison and JJ, I'm not buying it. Trust me when I say this, his game doesn't look normal. That's not a complement. You can't come in the pro's with that wild flinging under the rim. The dude look like he has strokes while attempting a bucket. Mullens has the prettiest game from 15 feet and in. I saw him score with his back t the bucket. I saw him emphatically block a shot. I saw him switch onto guards and make them commit turnovers. Sure he's a brat at times and feels he shouldn't put his all into it. Yes, I saw him take plays off. That can all be ceased if Bulls draft him. You want to know why, because we have one of the most confident boosting coaches in the league. Vinny will get him playing on a high level. I also know we need rebounding. Tyrus Thomas didn't get more rebounds than Mike Miller last season and I'm not sure if that's good. You can always get specialist through Free Agency. You can't get established big men through that resource. You can make a trade for Jeff Foster whom is better than Dejuan Blair if you ask me. So lets play this smart and realistically by maximizing our options. Draft a player that can score down-low with commitment issues (BJ Mullens), then sign a banger/rebounder through Free Agency. Face it, our biggest issue is interior scoring and you're not going to get a rare golden cloth without trimming it up, so to speak. Mullens will have that reputation of Big Z when he comes into the league. He'll prove them wrong, I guarantee it.
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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2009, 08:01:44 pm » |
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This is BJ Mullens all day because he has great hands and feel around the basket.
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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2009, 08:17:14 pm » |
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He never really said he wants him, just that he's a better option for center than Noah.
Also, how is Dirk a poor rebounder? At 8.4 per game he was 17th in the league last year, That's not poor at all.
Anyway, back to Noah, while he plays center for the Bulls (usually), I also don't think that he's a real center. He gets shoved around like a rag doll on a regular basis. He's just too weak to really be more than a mediocre center in the league.
Reboudning rate tells a different story...particularly for a PF, but your right I shouldn't have said poor just average. |
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« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2009, 08:21:06 pm » |
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Bulls / Bills / Marlins / Noles ben gordon was a guy he trusted and always passed to when he was open. those other guys are not the kind of shooters i'm talking about, they are more mid range guys. how many times did we see rose get hinrich, deng or salmons a wide open shot and those guys would pump fake then try to step in to get a better shot and end up passing up a wide open 3 for a contested 20 footer? they are not the kind of guy's rose needs. i said when he was drafted that deng and hinrich had to go and |
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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2009, 08:50:19 pm » |
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according to you, if you had the choice between Dampier and Noah, you would take Dampier |
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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2009, 09:01:39 pm » |
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I would take a Dampier, Perkins type body over Noah's anyday of the week
Dizzle nice point about Jeff Foster, he's pretty good and cheap for what he does, beast on the offensive glass.
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Bulls / Bills / Marlins / Noles ben gordon was a guy he trusted and always passed to when he was open. those other guys are not the kind of shooters i'm talking about, they are more mid range guys. how many times did we see rose get hinrich, deng or salmons a wide open shot and those guys would pump fake then try to step in to get a better shot and end up passing up a wide open 3 for a contested 20 footer? they are not the kind of guy's rose needs. i said when he was drafted that deng and hinrich had to go and |
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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2009, 09:38:20 pm » |
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Dizzle good post....and i agree with Grazzle, all those centers that were named off are good yes...but you see who ends up in the finals year after year....teams with big bodied centers...last couple years were Perkins,Bynum. This year was Howard,Bynum. Hakeem,Shaq,Ostertag,Longley,Dampier,Robinson,Duncan,McCulloah lol exc...they may not be the best but they take up space and rebound,give hard fouls, make shots tougher. Adding Mullens would give us size we deffinetly need.
Another thing is, just because Big Baby killed us in the playoffs, it doesnt mean we need to go out and get a guy thats exactly the same as him. Its not like if we draft Blair were going to beat the Celtics next year. Go for size and athleticism in Mullens....if you want a guy like Blair....shoot go bring back Danny Fortson , or try to trade for Reggie Evans or Craig Smith. There all the same.
On Mullens attitude problems....maybe he was just pissed off because Matta sat him and he knew he should of been out there. No one is ever happy if you get benched when you know you shouldnt be. Plus he never got the ball, top rated player like he was and he only shot it 5 times a game. They didnt use him properly.
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« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2009, 10:04:41 pm » |
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yes it's a joke. everyone says he a PF but he doesn't play like one? I'm curious why you think he is a PF?
so to be a 4 you have to have face-up game and play from the elbow? noah is simply too weak and soft down low to be a full-time center. to me the ideal position for him is actually coming off the bench as a 4/5, but if he's starting he'd be much better off playing at the 4. going up against legit centers down low (on either end) he has no chance, he gets thrown around much too easy. |
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« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2009, 11:58:06 pm » |
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Even if Noah does get stronger he has almost no offensive game. He is a great backup 5/4, not a starter, not with Tyrus next to him. Both of them are undersized and both have little offensive skills. One of them has to go or except a backup role for this team to improve. Brad Miller is getting old and wont be around much longer, do you remember how this team played before he got here, with Tyrus and Noah as our starting 4 & 5. I do not want to return to that.
uhhh, the Bulls went the entire season with Tyrus at the 4 and Noah at the 5. Miller did not start a single game. The team didn't start playing well until Miller and Salmons got here. Cant you see that this team needs a center with legit size. If you know of another answer besides Mullin or maybe Kaman please let us know what that is. Sometimes you have to over pay to get what you need (16+26=11 & Mullin). |
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