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« on: July 03, 2009, 10:02:45 am »
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I was wondering what Pistons fans think of them acquiring Ben Gordon from rival conference foe Bulls.  The overall consensus here in chicago is you guys overpaid for him.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 10:56:02 am »
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I was wondering what Pistons fans think of them acquiring Ben Gordon from rival conference foe Bulls.  The overall consensus here in chicago is you guys overpaid for him.

Would you say Ginobli is being over-paid for a 6th man?  It all depends on what you think yur getting.  They are getting a 20pt guy who is a scorer and good outside shooter and is only 26.  Yes it is 12M a year- but its not the end of the world.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 11:16:51 am »
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I was wondering what Pistons fans think of them acquiring Ben Gordon from rival conference foe Bulls.  The overall consensus here in chicago is you guys overpaid for him.

Would you say Ginobli is being over-paid for a 6th man?  It all depends on what you think yur getting.  They are getting a 20pt guy who is a scorer and good outside shooter and is only 26.  Yes it is 12M a year- but its not the end of the world.

Ginobili can play some stellar D, can handle the ball and a total game changer when healthy.  I don't think BG and Ginobili are on the same level. . .
BG can be a game changer when he's hitting his shots and not dribbling the ball off his foot i guess, but defensively he was such a liability here in chicago. . .
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 11:21:37 am »
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I was wondering what Pistons fans think of them acquiring Ben Gordon from rival conference foe Bulls.  The overall consensus here in chicago is you guys overpaid for him.

Would you say Ginobli is being over-paid for a 6th man?  It all depends on what you think yur getting.  They are getting a 20pt guy who is a scorer and good outside shooter and is only 26.  Yes it is 12M a year- but its not the end of the world.

Ginobili can play some stellar D, can handle the ball and a total game changer when healthy.  I don't think BG and Ginobili are on the same level. . .
BG can be a game changer when he's hitting his shots and not dribbling the ball off his foot i guess, but defensively he was such a liability here in chicago. . .

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 01:41:08 pm »
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I feel that $11 million a year is a bit much and also that this acquistion doesn't fill a need.  Sure, Gordon is a great player, but we already have Hamilton, Stuckey, Afflalo and Bynum who are very reliable at the guard spots.  We are going to loose Rasheed to whoever (most likely Celtics) so we need a big, and not Charlie Villanueva who is a guard in a big man's body.

I think Gordon can play a role similar to Iverson, meaning coming off the bench for offense, but will accept that role because he has been doing it for years in Chicago.  I think his defensive liabilites can be disguised here because we have so many good defensive guards, while in Chicago (no offense) everyone is pretty mediocre defensively, which in the long run will expose everyone as being a poor defensive player.  I think he can gell well here and can be the future of the team as Hamilton gets older or if we decide to ship him out for whatever reason.  Also Gordon can play the 1 and 2, which is an asset.  My only concerns will be when Stuckey and Gordon are both on the floor, as they are both relatively small, although Stuckey is big for a PG (6'5").
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 04:57:10 pm »
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I was wondering what Pistons fans think of them acquiring Ben Gordon from rival conference foe Bulls.  The overall consensus here in chicago is you guys overpaid for him.

Would you say Ginobli is being over-paid for a 6th man?  It all depends on what you think yur getting.  They are getting a 20pt guy who is a scorer and good outside shooter and is only 26.  Yes it is 12M a year- but its not the end of the world.

Ginobili can play some stellar D, can handle the ball and a total game changer when healthy.  I don't think BG and Ginobili are on the same level. . .
BG can be a game changer when he's hitting his shots and not dribbling the ball off his foot i guess, but defensively he was such a liability here in chicago. . .

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Not a game changer? +10000? He averaged 24.3 points against a tough Celtics D in that series. The Bulls probably would have gotten sweeped if they didnt have him. He was clearly the leader of a young bulls team, and the bulls just took a huge step backward in their development by not resigning him. Show respect where it is due. As a Pistons fan I'm quite happy that they have signed Gordon, a true shooter that this team has always needed. But it is bittersweet. I'm confused of how the pistons will allocate their minutes between five talented guards. The more sensible move would be for the Pistons to trade Rip for a center or power forward, but I'm not seeing too much indication that that will happen. Time will only show what Dumars will do.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 05:34:33 pm »
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this is my perception the bulls overpaid ben wallace a few years ago we overpaid ben gordon (who will be alot better then ben wallace (we need his FIREPOWA) and anyway f**k The bulls haha they started it)
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 06:04:06 pm »
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bad signing unlerss u can move rip for a C
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 09:06:26 pm »
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bad signing unlerss u can move rip for a C
As I said you have no quality as an organization -if you 'trade/move' the leading playoff scorer of ALL TIME -I mean come on bro -its not like your paying him 20M a year.  Have some respect for the Pistons fans-who saw 6 STRAIGHT conference finals because of RIP.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 11:31:10 pm »
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based on this Article.. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/mccosky-on-the-salary-structure/

the contract is worth 52.5 million over 5 years..

also this up coming season his salary will be 9 million and increasing 8% every year after that...if u ask me, thats a pretty good deal..and the bulls are out of luck.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2009, 10:57:17 am »
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based on this Article.. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2009/07/mccosky-on-the-salary-structure/

the contract is worth 52.5 million over 5 years..

also this up coming season his salary will be 9 million and increasing 8% every year after that...if u ask me, thats a pretty good deal..and the bulls are out of luck.


If this is true, it improves my feelings about the signing.  It gives us more flexibility to sign players in the short term, including next year.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2009, 11:38:01 am »
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bad signing unlerss u can move rip for a C
As I said you have no quality as an organization -if you 'trade/move' the leading playoff scorer of ALL TIME -I mean come on bro -its not like your paying him 20M a year.  Have some respect for the Pistons fans-who saw 6 STRAIGHT conference finals because of RIP.

The Bulls are the same way also. They made no offer to Ben Gordon who was the main reason the Bulls even had a chance against the Celtics. Have some respect for the Bulls fans who saw such an awesome series against a tough Celtics team.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2009, 11:59:59 am »
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I think the way they structured the deal with  both Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva was beneficial to Detroit.  Smart move by Dumars in backloading the deal for two young players with upside.  Also, now if they want they have flexibility to move Tayshaun or Rip for a big man, that is if they cant find a way to keep McDyess.  I don't know what it is about Joe Dumars and Antonio McDyess but Joe seems to have a spell on him that keeps him coming back for more.  Has it worn off yet? We'll find out, if it has I think Joe finds a way to bring Tyson Chandler here, and in the long run is working on some type of trade to get Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire in Detroit.

I think people reacting to the deal today is much too soon, give Dumars a chance to complete the team and come Sept 1 we'll reanalyze the roster and then judge him.

Dumars is smart enough to know that just signing two players isn't going to complete his roster.

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2009, 04:54:10 am »
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I like the signing of BG. Anyone who watched the Pistons this year knew that we would go through some serious scoring droughts that not even Rip could get us out of, especially in the 4th quarter. This is where we will especially notice the value of having BG, who can light it up no matter what defense he's playing against. They may have overpaid by about a million a year, but it's still better to have him than to be playing against him. Chicago is really hurt right now...Their fans saying they're better off without him are delusional, they're really gonna have trouble scoring next season unless they add someone else.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2009, 07:34:37 am »
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I like the signing of BG. Anyone who watched the Pistons this year knew that we would go through some serious scoring droughts that not even Rip could get us out of, especially in the 4th quarter. This is where we will especially notice the value of having BG, who can light it up no matter what defense he's playing against. They may have overpaid by about a million a year, but it's still better to have him than to be playing against him. Chicago is really hurt right now...Their fans saying they're better off without him are delusional, they're really gonna have trouble scoring next season unless they add someone else.
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Exactly bg is a great player we have enough guards who can play good defense and has the height (deron washington not a guard but hes a defensive specialist)

now with cv bg and possibly boozer for rip the pistons are looking ahead while the bulls (i think) are tanking even with the number one pick the pistons havent been in the lottery since 03 and still are nowhere near it of course bulls fans are gonna hate this i.e u paid him too much but they have no right to talk about overpaying remember Ben Wallace hes not worth 60 million dollars the bulls paid him
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