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« on: January 06, 2010, 03:59:22 pm »
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NEW YORK -- Andre Dawson was elected to the Hall of Fame, while Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar fell just short of earning baseball's highest honor.

Dawson, nicknamed "The Hawk," received 420 of 539 votes in voting announced Wednesday by the Baseball Writers' Association of America, 15 more than the 75 percent necessary to gain election.

Five of the ballots sent in were blank.

The eight-time All-Star, appearing on the ballot for the ninth time, had fallen 44 votes short last year.

"It was well worth the wait. I can't really describe the elation," Dawson said during a telephone conference call. "If you're a Hall of Famer, eventually you're going to get in, no matter how long it takes."

Blyleven had 400 votes, up from 338 last year, and likely will get in, what with two more tries on the BBWAA ballot. The highest percentage for a player who wasn't elected in a later year was 63.4 by Gil Hodges in 1983, his final time on the ballot.

"Hopefully, next year will be my time," Blyleven said in an interview on the MLB Network.

Alomar received 397 votes (73.7 percent) in the second baseman's first appearance, and was followed by pitcher Jack Morris with 282 (52.3 percent), a big increase from the 237 votes he got last year.

"I feel disappointed, but next year hopefully I make it in," Alomar said at his home in New York. "At least I was close."

Cincinnati shortstop Barry Larkin, also making his first appearance, was on 278 ballots (51.6 percent), followed by reliever Lee Smith at 255 (47.3 percent) and Edgar Martinez at 195 (36.2 percent).

Martinez, on the ballot for the first time, is viewed as an early test of how voters will receive players who were primarily designated hitters.

Mark McGwire received 128 votes (23.7 percent), 10 more than last year and matching the total from his first two times on the ballot. Eighth on the career list with 583 homers, he has been stigmatized since evading questions from Congress in 2005 about the use of performance-enhancing drugs.

Dawson, who won eight Gold Gloves and four Silver Slugger awards, had a 21-year career with the now-defunct Montreal Expos (11 seasons), Chicago Cubs (six seasons), Boston Red Sox and Florida Marlins.

He will be inducted into the Hall of Fame on July 25 in Cooperstown, N.Y., along with manager Whitey Herzog and umpire Doug Harvey, who were elected last month by the Hall's Veterans Committee.

A victim of the owners' conspiracy against free agents after he left the Expos, Dawson signed a blank contract with the Cubs during spring training. Then-general manager Dallas Green filled in the dollar amount of $500,000, making Dawson the second-lowest paid regular on the team.

Dawson stayed with the Cubs through 1992, then spent two seasons apiece with Boston and Florida. He had a .279 career average with 1,591 RBIs and 314 steals, playing through 12 knee operations.

He is one of only three players with at least 400 home runs and 300 stolen bases, joining Barry Bonds and Willie Mays.

The close calls for Blyleven and Alomar marked the first time in BBWAA balloting that two players fell fewer than 10 votes short in one year.
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 04:01:08 pm »
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It is beyond me that Robby Alomar didn't make it.  If the voters really based this off the spitting incident and his one season in New York, they are flat out wrong and don't deserve to be voters on the committee.  Also I gotta say Mark McGwire deserves to get in eventually.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 04:13:28 pm »
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It is beyond me that Robby Alomar didn't make it.  If the voters really based this off the spitting incident and his one season in New York, they are flat out wrong and don't deserve to be voters on the committee.  Also I gotta say Mark McGwire deserves to get in eventually.

Alomar was absolutely robbed. But on McGwire I don't think he deserves to get in. He was a one tool player and that one tool was helped out a lot with the benefit of steroids.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 04:18:49 pm »
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NO ALOMAR?! Wtf this is an outrage, this morning they were even talking about how he and the umpire he spit at had made up long ago and were close friends, if thats what kept him out thats complete bs. Honestly I can't think of another reason why he'd be left out, stupid decision here.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 04:46:16 pm »
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It is beyond me that Robby Alomar didn't make it.  If the voters really based this off the spitting incident and his one season in New York, they are flat out wrong and don't deserve to be voters on the committee.  Also I gotta say Mark McGwire deserves to get in eventually.

Alomar was absolutely robbed. But on McGwire I don't think he deserves to get in. He was a one tool player and that one tool was helped out a lot with the benefit of steroids.
I realize that but we have to take into account a lot of players took steroids, even A-Rod, a sure-fire hall of famer.  Yeah he was a one-trick pony, but he was one of the biggest factors in making baseball relevant again.  He not only put up some of the greatest power numbers we've ever seen but he helped rejuvinate a Cardinals franchise that had sunk to irrelevance in the early 90s.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 09:05:56 pm »
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I always agreed with Simmons' take on the Baseball Hall of Fame.  It's a museum for the history of baseball and whether we like it or not PEDs are/were apart of baseball history, therefore shouldn't be shunned (for instance, while maybe not on the same level, *** Perry is renowned for doctoring his pitches and even touts the fact that he wasn't thrown out of game despite it's obviousness for 21 years).  There are already "cheaters" in the Hall of Fame and unless they feel the need to not allow and entire era of players into the Hall of Fame (how exactly can they be sure who did and didn't use), they should start inducting the players that have the numbers and accomplishments (given their era) in.  With that said, I still think McGwire is borderline.

On a side note, while I feel that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, I also feel that he's been a big enough jerkass about the whole thing that he shouldn't be inducted in until after he's dead.

Also, on Robbie Alomar, if their holding the spitting incident against him, why the hell is Ty Cobb in the Hall of Fame?  He's the best second basemen of the last 50 years (give or take).  There are so many things wrong with the voters, whether it being the ones who think every player needs to be on a moral high ground (again, Ty Cobb) or that certain voters don't believe any player should get in on his first try, the whole group needs to be cleaned up.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 10:24:26 pm »
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I just don't understand the notion that somebody is good enough to get in next year but not good enough now.  How the hell does that make sense?
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 11:18:16 pm »
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I just don't understand the notion that somebody is good enough to get in next year but not good enough now.  How the hell does that make sense?

Sportswriters in general have a tendency to overthink.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 11:26:16 pm »
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How many people do they have voting at this point?
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 11:39:39 pm »
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How many people do they have voting at this point?


Wikipedia has an incomplete list of voters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Writers_Association_of_America
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 05:18:48 am »
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Congratulations to Andre Dawson on his election. He deserved it
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 10:42:11 am »
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Andre Dawson and not Roberto Alomar or Bert Blyleven? Blow a goat.

No offense to Andre Dawson. I believe he deserves to be there.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 12:23:42 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 09:46:26 pm »
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This is long overdue for Dawson. He was one of the most feared players, if not the most, for a large portion of the 80's on both sides of the ball. He had an arm in the outfield that may have been the best ever, even Peter Gammons has said so, and I consider him to be one of the smarter baseball minds out there. He put together very good power and speed numbers, being 7th all-time for power-speed #. The only real knock anyone has ever had on him was that he didn't have a high on base percentage, since he didn't walk much. However, when someone doesn't walk much, many people just assume they strike out a lot, this wasn't the case with Dawson, he averaged just over 70 strikeouts per season over his 21 year career. Longevity was also on his side, as he played at a high level for 18 of those 21 seasons. As far as character goes, he's among the best ever, as the ultimate teammate and a great person to have in the community even still today. Other interesting things about him, 10th all-time in sacrifice flies, 96th all-time in times on base, 22nd all-time in outs made, 24th all-time in extra bases hit, 76th all-time in runs created, 34th all-time in RBIs, 36th all-time in home runs, 48th all-time in doubles, 25th all-time in total bases, 45th all-time in hits, and 93rd all-time in runs scored. Obviously there's very little there that puts him as one of the best all-time in any one category, but of all those, he's in the top 50 all-time in 9 different categories. If that isn't a testament to how great of an all-around player he was, then I don't know what is. I still consider him to be the ultimate 5-tool player. 8 time gold glover, 8 time all-star, one MVP, 2 second place finishes for MVP, 4 silver sluggers, the guy could simply do anything out there.

As for the rest, Alomar got robbed, plain and simple. Anything I've wanted to say about the spitting incident has been said, and I think it actually should be considered a plus to his character when you look at how he handled it after it happened. The guy was the best second baseman of his era, and there is no reason for him to not be in there. I also think Blyleven should be in there. 288 wins, and played at such a high level for such a long time. Tim Raines also deserved more recognition, arguably the second best leadoff man of the modern era. Barry Larkin also got robbed, the guy won 3 gold gloves while Ozzie Smith, someone who made the hall of fame based on their glove, was still in the league. He was still one of the top defensive shortstops in every year he didn't win the gold glove as well. He was an excellent all-around hitter and one of the best players you could ask to have in your community. As for Morris, I think he should eventually be in there, but I just don't think this was the year. For Edgar Martinez, as far as offense goes, he belongs in, but with the DH you just don't really help your team on the defensive end of the ball. If he had been a half and half guy, in vein of a Frank Thomas, then I would put him in there, but he played the vast majority of his games as a DH. Rather he could've done well in the field or not is irrelevant, since he didn't. However, offensive numbers like that are hard to ignore. For a first ballot I don't think he belongs in, eventually maybe, but I'm still somewhat on the fence with him.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 01:48:40 am »
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Well deserved! I grew up watching "The Hawk".
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