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This fight was amazing. That round 6 was one of the craziest rounds I've ever seen. Entire fight was a classic. Ortiz finally redeemed himself against his loss to Maidana.

Props to Berto too. Both guys fought their hearts out. Ortiz was just propelled himself to Pac/Mayweather talks.

Berto should go after a young up and comer like Mike Jones. Winner gets to fight a top 3 Welterweight.

no Ortiz-Berto rematch?  let the older Manny and Money get their fight in first.  Ortiz and Berto need to make this a 3 fight set.  they're young enough to build brands off of these kinds of matchups.

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Ortiz wasn't nearly as strong @ 140 though.  147, walking in @ close to 160 is where Ortiz should always be.  he was strong out there against Berto.

[Johnny Rico]

*** that fight

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This fight was amazing. That round 6 was one of the craziest rounds I've ever seen. Entire fight was a classic. Ortiz finally redeemed himself against his loss to Maidana.

Props to Berto too. Both guys fought their hearts out. Ortiz was just propelled himself to Pac/Mayweather talks.

Berto should go after a young up and comer like Mike Jones. Winner gets to fight a top 3 Welterweight.

no Ortiz-Berto rematch?  let the older Manny and Money get their fight in first.  Ortiz and Berto need to make this a 3 fight set.  they're young enough to build brands off of these kinds of matchups.

Not right away... Maybe if it was the top 2 fighters in the division I'd be all for a rematch, but I want to see the division unified. Right now the 3 belt holders are Pac-Mosley-Ortiz. Personally, this is how I would plan things out

I'd make Ortiz fight the winner of Pac-Mosley in the early fall...I'm thinking late September/early October... IF Floyd-Pac fight can't be made.

Berto can take on Mike Jones in the summer...Then winner of that fight gets to fight Shane Mosley in the winter (assuming he loses) and the winner of that fight gets a shot at the UNIFIED Champion(Ortiz/Pac/Floyd) in early 2012.

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This fight was amazing. That round 6 was one of the craziest rounds I've ever seen. Entire fight was a classic. Ortiz finally redeemed himself against his loss to Maidana.

Props to Berto too. Both guys fought their hearts out. Ortiz was just propelled himself to Pac/Mayweather talks.

Berto should go after a young up and comer like Mike Jones. Winner gets to fight a top 3 Welterweight.

no Ortiz-Berto rematch?  let the older Manny and Money get their fight in first.  Ortiz and Berto need to make this a 3 fight set.  they're young enough to build brands off of these kinds of matchups.

Not right away... Maybe if it was the top 2 fighters in the division I'd be all for a rematch, but I want to see the division unified. Right now the 3 belt holders are Pac-Mosley-Ortiz. Personally, this is how I would plan things out

I'd make Ortiz fight the winner of Pac-Mosley in the early fall...I'm thinking late September/early October... IF Floyd-Pac fight can't be made.

Berto can take on Mike Jones in the summer...Then winner of that fight gets to fight Shane Mosley in the winter (assuming he loses) and the winner of that fight gets a shot at the UNIFIED Champion(Ortiz/Pac/Floyd) in early 2012.

I think Berto deserves a rematch before they give Ortiz the big pay day that fighting Manny would bring.  Berto carried that belt for a nice minute and waited his turn.  Both Berto and Ortiz are young, so if Berto wins the next one vs. Ortiz... on to an epic 3rd fight for me.    

After Mosley is demolished by Manny, I think Mosley is finished and out of the way.  Berto or Ortiz can get at it with Cotto after Cotto fries Margarito.  Manny and Money have business and they're two of the older guys... I'm not trying to see either one get burned out by fighting young killers before they get to eachother.

[sulingman]

No Can Defend

[sulingman]

"A hematoma in or near the brain is particularly dangerous."

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wtf is up with Top Rank?? Floyd states he's going to come back and fight this year and the first thing Top Rank does is offer Marquez-Pacqiuao fight? I don't think Pac is scared of Mayweather, but his promoters are scared to put him in the ring with Money because they don't want to lose their cash cow.

Since it's obvious Pacquiao's team isn't going to try and negotiate a fight with Floyd in the fall, I think Floyd should go after Ortiz. He's the 3rd best fighter in the Division and he's the only other fighter with a belt. Ortiz will be a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Vicious Ortiz has good hand speed, hits hard, and is bigger than Floyd.Floyd will be the favorite for sure, but Ortiz won't be a walk through the park.

Top Rank has been asking DiBella (Berto's promoter) to make an Andre Berto-Mike Jones fight...I think that'll be the best option. It's about time Mike Jones steps up and fighters a former champion/contender...He's been beating nothing but former CONTENDER's for the last couple years. If he wins he can get a shot at the top dogs in the division. If Berto wins he can get his rematch or a Floyd fight. I think this fight will be a great fight. Mike Jones is very tall for 147...He stands at 6ft tall and will give Berto a hell of fight. Unlike Ortiz, Mike Jones loves to throw the jab, but I don't know if it'll be enough to contain a very explosive Berto. Also, Mike Jones has never really had his chin tested with someone who can hit as hard as Berto. I see this as a 50/50 fight, tbh.

FYI, a Cotto-Ortiz/Berto fight won't happen unless they move up to 154 because Cotto has stated he can't make 147 anymore and he will be campaigning full time at 154. I think it's stupid because he was already small at 147...at 154 he isn't going to last, imo. Right now he's doing decent because the division is weak. But if Canelo, Alfredo Angulo, or Paul Williams can get (back)to the top of 154 within the next year his career is done, IMO. All 3 of those guys slaughter him.

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wtf is up with Top Rank?? Floyd states he's going to come back and fight this year and the first thing Top Rank does is offer Marquez-Pacqiuao fight? I don't think Pac is scared of Mayweather, but his promoters are scared to put him in the ring with Money because they don't want to lose their cash cow.

Since it's obvious Pacquiao's team isn't going to try and negotiate a fight with Floyd in the fall, I think Floyd should go after Ortiz. He's the 3rd best fighter in the Division and he's the only other fighter with a belt. Ortiz will be a very dangerous fight for Floyd. Vicious Ortiz has good hand speed, hits hard, and is bigger than Floyd.Floyd will be the favorite for sure, but Ortiz won't be a walk through the park.

Top Rank has been asking DiBella (Berto's promoter) to make an Andre Berto-Mike Jones fight...I think that'll be the best option. It's about time Mike Jones steps up and fighters a former champion/contender...He's been beating nothing but former CONTENDER's for the last couple years. If he wins he can get a shot at the top dogs in the division. If Berto wins he can get his rematch or a Floyd fight. I think this fight will be a great fight. Mike Jones is very tall for 147...He stands at 6ft tall and will give Berto a hell of fight. Unlike Ortiz, Mike Jones loves to throw the jab, but I don't know if it'll be enough to contain a very explosive Berto. Also, Mike Jones has never really had his chin tested with someone who can hit as hard as Berto. I see this as a 50/50 fight, tbh.

FYI, a Cotto-Ortiz/Berto fight won't happen unless they move up to 154 because Cotto has stated he can't make 147 anymore and he will be campaigning full time at 154. I think it's stupid because he was already small at 147...at 154 he isn't going to last, imo. Right now he's doing decent because the division is weak. But if Canelo, Alfredo Angulo, or Paul Williams can get (back)to the top of 154 within the next year his career is done, IMO. All 3 of those guys slaughter him.

lol  Are you serious right now?  Pac's camp is the camp that was pushing for Pac-May from the beginning, May ducked out and came with some b.s. excuses, got in trouble with the law, etc.  And now Mayweather " states " some b.s. like he always does and expects Pac's camp to rush to work with him?  Na.  Mayweather sits on his hands for 2 years waiting and trying to catch Pac when Pac is washed up and/or damaged goods knowing damn well Pac has a ridiculous amount of mileage in the ring.


At this point, after all Mayweather has said about Pac anc Pac's camp... they don't like Mayweather and don't want to help him make his money to pay his debts off.  That's what's going on.  Like Tedy Atlas said, as of right now Pacquiao is ranked higher than Mayweather on the all-time list AND Pacquiao is the fighter that the fan's are going to pay to see because he hits homeruns.  Simply put, Pacquiao doesn't even need Mayweather because he's already above him.  Mayweather, with all due respect to his skill, dances around and fights a defensive fight that fans are gonna get tired of sooner than later.  Plain and simple, like Tedy Atlas put it, Mayweather is going to need Pacquiao sooner or later and Mayweather will be back on his knees looking for that fight... and then Pac will be walking into the fight with the bigger purse and as the feature fighter.

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LOL what?? Are you really trying to say Manny should fight Mayweather anymore because he doesn't like him?? LMAO.
Anyways, Bob Arum just came out today and made ANOTHER statement today saying he will never let Pac fight a Golden Boy fighter. And Floyd's Co-Promoter is Golden Boy. Victor Ortiz is also promoted by Golden Boy. Arum is protecting Pacqiuao. Can it be anymore obvious??? Arum just stated he isn't going to let Pac fight the top 3 fighters in the Welterweight division. Pac's promoters are cherry pickers.

And it's looking like Victor Ortiz is the front runner to fight Floyd in September. After his upset, Ortiz is now the 3rd ranked Welterweight behind Floyd and Manny.

Floyd is going to fight a young hungry up and coming champion in the Fall. Pacquiao is going to be fighting a blown up 40 year old lightweight in the fall. And this weekend he's going to be fighting a 40 year old who hasn't won a fight in 2 years.

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Who's Nick Diaz? All I know about him is that he's some MMA fighter who trains with a lot of boxers. I heard a rumor that he just signed to fight Jeff Lacy this fall in a boxing match. Is he any good? At this point if Jeff Lacy's career I can't see him beating anyone because he's shot to ***. So I guess it's a good fight for Diaz to take since he has a decent chance of winning and it'll get his name out there with the boxing world.

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LOL what?? Are you really trying to say Manny should fight Mayweather anymore because he doesn't like him?? LMAO.
Anyways, Bob Arum just came out today and made ANOTHER statement today saying he will never let Pac fight a Golden Boy fighter. And Floyd's Co-Promoter is Golden Boy. Victor Ortiz is also promoted by Golden Boy. Arum is protecting Pacqiuao. Can it be anymore obvious??? Arum just stated he isn't going to let Pac fight the top 3 fighters in the Welterweight division. Pac's promoters are cherry pickers.

And it's looking like Victor Ortiz is the front runner to fight Floyd in September. After his upset, Ortiz is now the 3rd ranked Welterweight behind Floyd and Manny.

Floyd is going to fight a young hungry up and coming champion in the Fall. Pacquiao is going to be fighting a blown up 40 year old lightweight in the fall. And this weekend he's going to be fighting a 40 year old who hasn't won a fight in 2 years.

Is that REALLY what you got out what I wrote?  I'll give it another go... BUSINESS is what's going to hold this fight up.  Until Mayweather comes crawling back to the Pac camp, willing to take less money, and willing to take the less feature role on the promotional side this fight isn't happening.  Again, Mayweather needs the fight more than Pacquiao does because Pac is already ranked ahead of Mayweather presently and all-time.  And it's Mayweather's fault that this fight hasn't happened already because of his b.s. excuses, rumor starting,  and demands.  That is what's happening right now... this is not opinion.  It's fact.


Floyd can fight Ortiz, but Ortiz is not Manny.  Manny is the money-man and will make Floyd 4X as much money as an Ortiz fight.  I like how Floyd waited until Berto lost to Ortiz to wanna take on the belt holder though. lol  Floyd wanted no parts of Berto's speed/power game.

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You're right that Ortiz isn't on Manny's level, but fact is he's the 3rd best fighter in the division and he's a better opponent than all of Pac's last 3 opponents. He's better than that Statue Clottey who just stands there and tries to block his opponents to death. He's better than a plaster-less Margarito coming off a 2 year layoff. And he's way better than a 40 year old Shane Mosley who hasn't won a fight since January 2009. And his next opponent is already lined up. We get to see JMM-Pac trilogy in the fall. So now, Pac is going to be fighting a 40 year old blown up lightweight. And this is ok with you? Floyd said he's ready to negotiate if Pac is willing to take the test. Pac says he's willing to do it and all of a sudden his promoter says he'll never negotiate with Golden Boy or the Mayweathers. Come on, his promoters are ducking Floyd.

And Floyd made $20 million for his last fight with Mosley. Pac is going to make the exact same amount to fight with Mosley. They both make basically the exact some money. Floyd will never go crawling to Pac for money. He'll never take anything less than a 50/50 split. Too think otherwise is just wishful thinking on your part.

Edit: I also forgot that Floyd is still the lineal champion at 147. Pac, Mosley, and Ortiz only have those ABC belts that don't mean a damn thing. Floyd is the Lineal Champion and until someone beats him at 147 he is the top guy at 147. He'll never take anything less than a 50/50 split.

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You're right that Ortiz isn't on Manny's level, but fact is he's the 3rd best fighter in the division and he's a better opponent than all of Pac's last 3 opponents. He's better than that Statue Clottey who just stands there and tries to block his opponents to death. He's better than a plaster-less Margarito coming off a 2 year layoff. And he's way better than a 40 year old Shane Mosley who hasn't won a fight since January 2009. And his next opponent is already lined up. We get to see JMM-Pac trilogy in the fall. So now, Pac is going to be fighting a 40 year old blown up lightweight. And this is ok with you? Floyd said he's ready to negotiate if Pac is willing to take the test. Pac says he's willing to do it and all of a sudden his promoter says he'll never negotiate with Golden Boy or the Mayweathers. Come on, his promoters are ducking Floyd.

And Floyd made $20 million for his last fight with Mosley. Pac is going to make the exact same amount to fight with Mosley. They both make basically the exact some money. Floyd will never go crawling to Pac for money. He'll never take anything less than a 50/50 split. Too think otherwise is just wishful thinking on your part.

Edit: I also forgot that Floyd is still the lineal champion at 147. Pac, Mosley, and Ortiz only have those ABC belts that don't mean a damn thing. Floyd is the Lineal Champion and until someone beats him at 147 he is the top guy at 147. He'll never take anything less than a 50/50 split.

I'm trying to figue out what the hell you're talking about as far as Mayweather fighting Ortiz?  Who the hell cares?  Mayweather pushed Berto aside for so long and then when Ortiz up and wins the belt all of a sudden May is game? lol  Mayweather didn't wanna see Berto, patna. 


And just how the hell are you making fun of Pac for fighting Mosley?... Mayweather beat old Mosley just last year after waiting Mosley out for years and years. LOL  For 2 years this Pac-May fight has been on the brink and the hold up came from Mayweather's side with out of the ordinary demands for testing and promotional demands too... like Mayweather was the champ and had the right to demand anything other than a purse.  Why would Pac making more $$$ than Mayweather in a fight be wishful thinking on my part?  None of that money is coming to me.  LOL  That's just what its gonna take for the business side to come together.  Whatever's going on right now between the two companies is some b.s. that Mayweather's camp provoked 1st and foremost. 


Arum doesn't want business with Golden Boy because GB let Mayweather run his mouth and try to defame his biggest brand-chip.  It's business, pimp.  Get over it.  Your boy Mayweather is the reason this fight didn't happen 2 years ago with his scared tactics... knew he couldn't fuck with Pac so he drummed up some drug b.s. so he could wait till Pac lost steam with age.  Pac is the P4P champ... division be damned.  He's the homerun hitter that will make the fight... he's the reason that both he and Mayweather could see an 80mill income.  You see... the very 1st time that Mayweather loses, his undefeated reputation and the purse that comes along with that is a wrap.  That's why people show for May fights.  Because he's undefeated.  People go to see Pac for homeruns.

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Now you're just making stuff up. Floyd was ducking Berto? Let me tell you what happened in reality.

Berto signs to fight Mosley in Jan of 2010...Earthquake in Haiti happens and Berto pulls out of the fight. During this time Floyd-Pac are trying to negotiate for a fight. Manny refuses to take a drug test and the fight falls through. Floyd goes and signs a deal to fight Mosley, who at the time was the lineal Welterweight champion and was coming off an impressive KO win of Antonio Margarito....Then Pac goes and fights some guy named Joshua Clottey who was coming off a loss to Miguel Cotto.

Floyd gives Mosley a boxing lesson and Pac beats up that statue for 12 rounds...

Then they begin to negotiate for a possible fight in November and Floyd states he doesn't want to fight until he finds out what is going to happen to his trainer/uncle Roger Mayweather. And that is understandable for him not wanting to go through the biggest fight of his career without knowing if his trainer will be there. So Pac signs to fight Margarito. Meanwhile Berto goes on to fight Freddie Hernandez.

Pac beats up Margarito and Berto KO's Hernandez in 1 round.

Then Pac's team go and give Manny a  list of 3 possible opponents for him to fight in May...Floyd Mayweather isn't on the list. They give him Shane Mosley, Marquez, or Andre Berto. And out of these 3 opponents almost everyone was saying Andre Berto would be the most intriguing fight for him and Mosley would be the worst possible opponent.

And guess what? Pac chooses Shane Mosley.

I don't know why you're making up this stuff about Floyd ducking Berto. When was a Floyd-Berto fight even possible? And for the record, I think Floyd would fight Berto if he had beaten Ortiz because Floyd actually fights guys who are coming off impressive wins. Pac fights guys coming off losses.