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« on: September 08, 2011, 05:25:43 am »
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Article from Hoopsworld about Spurs (possibly) most pressing requirement:

As the NBA owners and players continue to work towards finding a middle ground on a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, the San Antonio Spurs are patiently waiting for their opportunity to make improvements. After going down in embarrassing fashion in the first round of last year’s playoffs to the Memphis Grizzlies, the Spurs know that they need to make some moves if they’re going to get back into the championship mix like they desire to.

They were active on draft night as they completed a trade with the Indiana Pacers for San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard, Davis Bertans and Erazam Lorbek in exchange for combo guard George Hill, a favorite of head coach Gregg Popovich’s.

As nice of a pickup as Leonard is, where the Spurs are currently lacking is in the low post at the power forward and center positions. They were absolutely manhandled inside by Grizzlies big men Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol during the playoffs. Strong play inside the paint is going to continue to be a necessity in order to win in the Western Conference, so once the lockout ends the Spurs need to see what kind of help they can find inside for the aging Tim Duncan.

Developing From Within

Internal improvements have always been one of the trademarks of the Spurs. They do as good of a job as any team in the league at finding players who fit their culture and system. They do so with the hope that they’ll make significant strides upon coming to San Antonio.

In young big men Tiago Splitter and DeJuan Blair the Spurs have two players who have a long way to go in terms of development. They’ve already contributed at times, but they still have plenty of upside.

Blair was quite solid for the Spurs throughout the first half of the regular season. He wasn’t able to maintain throughout the course of the season, though, and eventually was replaced in the starting lineup by Antonio McDyess, who retired at the end of last season. Against the Grizzlies Blair played a total of 51 minutes in six games, receiving DNP-CDs for the final two.

Splitter was the opposite. Spurs nation was clamoring for his arrival for years, only to be disappointed by what he was able to provide immediately. Set back with an injury in training camp, Splitter missed out on some valuable experience that prevented him from cracking Popovich’s regular rotation. As Popovich was searching for answers against Memphis, though, he decided to give Splitter a chance and he faired quite well. That creates some optimism over what he can bring this upcoming season.

The Trade Market

It’s safe to say at this point that everyone on the team not named Tim Duncan or Manu Ginobili, to a lesser extent, could be had for the right price. Parker was very close to being dealt this summer and Jefferson would have been gone already if there was a team willing to gamble on him earning every dollar that’s owed to him.

They’ve got some nice young players, like sophomore guards Gary Neal and James Anderson who could sweeten the pot if paired up with the aforementioned Parker or Jefferson. They also have sharpshooting forward Matt Bonner, who is reasonably priced at just under $4 million annually. If needed, Blair and/or Splitter could be included in any deal as well.

Los Angeles Clippers center Chris Kaman, on the other hand, has been rumored to be on the trading block for awhile now. He’s certainly worth making a phone call about, as are Utah Jazz forwards Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap.

The Jazz have two young big men that they really like in Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors. They’re eventually going to have to make room for them, which means Millsap or Jefferson will have to go. Whether or not that’s this year, though, is the question.


The Free Agent Market


Even with there being so much unknown about the next CBA, it’s safe to say that the Spurs aren’t going to have any cap room to work with during the offseason. They’ve got $73 million on the books for the upcoming season, so at best they’ll have an exception or two that they can sign players with.

That takes them completely out of the running for the top-ranked guys like David West, Nene, Marc Gasol and Tyson Chandler.

They’ll have to set their sights a little lower. Carl Landy, Kenyon Martin and Glen Davis are much more viable options at power forward, while centers Kyrylo Fesenko, Kurt Thomas, Aaron Gray, Alexis Ajinca and Eddy Curry could be attainable.

With Duncan’s $21 million contract coming off of the books next summer, the Spurs are positioned to have some cap room in the future. Because of that they’ll be very particular with the kind of deals they offer. Unless it’s someone they really like, they won’t have any interest in doing anything long-term.

Quiet Before The Storm?

Just based off of their history, it’s hard to imagine the Spurs’ roster looking completely different at the start of the regular season, whenever that may be, than it does right now. They’re an organization that really likes to take their time, think things through and make sure that they’re making the best decision for both the present and the future.

Unless any ideal deals come along, odds are it’ll be up to Blair, Splitter and maybe a veteran on a one-year deal to help Duncan in shoring up the Spurs’ inside woes this year. But come 2012-2013 we could see a completely different looking Spurs team that has completely moved on from the big three of Parker, Duncan, Ginobili and into a new era.


http://www.hoopsworld.com/solving-problems-spurs-need-size/

Whilst Kaman is a great idea given his talent and contract, I can't see what they could offer LA. Maybe a pick and a prospect such as Neal would be enough but I doubt it. Thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 02:52:19 pm »
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How about Ryan Anderson?

The Spurs could trade Richard Jefferson, Antonio McDyess & DeJuan Blair for Hedo Turkoglu, Ryan Anderson & 5.2 mill trade exception.

Orlando would go on to buyout McDyess and he would return to San Antonio for the vet min


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ork4dg


Orlando Magic
G: Jameer Nelson - Gilbert Arenas - Chris Duhon
G: Jason Richardson - JJ Redick - Quentin Richardson
F: Richard Jefferson - ? - Earl Clark
F: Brandon Bass - DeJuan Blair - Justin Harper
C: Dwight Howard - Daniel Orton - DeJuan Blair

G: Tony Parker - Gary Neal
G: Manu Ginobili - James Anderson - Daniel Green
F: Hedo Turkoglu - Kawhi Leonard - De'Sean Butler - Davis Bertans
F: Ryan Anderson - Matt Bonner - Antonio McDyess*
C: Tim Duncan - Tiago Splitter - vet min
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 03:24:07 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 03:41:35 pm »
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 05:38:05 pm »
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With regard to your trade, I don't know why the Spurs would want Anderson when they have Bonner. Granted, they'd get rid of Jefferson but then they have to take on Turk. Kind of a wash.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 02:39:52 am »
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With regard to your trade, I don't know why the Spurs would want Anderson when they have Bonner. Granted, they'd get rid of Jefferson but then they have to take on Turk. Kind of a wash.
Anderson is underrated,he can do many things on the floor while Bonner is only a 3-pt shooter

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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 02:49:09 am »
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With regard to your trade, I don't know why the Spurs would want Anderson when they have Bonner. Granted, they'd get rid of Jefferson but then they have to take on Turk. Kind of a wash.
Anderson is underrated,he can do many things on the floor while Bonner is only a 3-pt shooter

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Splitter,Blair are a starting point for Spurs's future

He's not under-rated; he's a soft big person who wants to shoot Js. You try starting Anderson on a good team and see what happens.

Splitter and Blair are decent back-ups but I don't think either are ever going to be starter material.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2011, 06:12:34 am »
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With regard to your trade, I don't know why the Spurs would want Anderson when they have Bonner. Granted, they'd get rid of Jefferson but then they have to take on Turk. Kind of a wash.
Anderson is underrated,he can do many things on the floor while Bonner is only a 3-pt shooter

However,they have to
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Splitter,Blair are a starting point for Spurs's future

He's not under-rated; he's a soft big person who wants to shoot Js. You try starting Anderson on a good team and see what happens.

Splitter and Blair are decent back-ups but I don't think either are ever going to be starter material.
I agree that Anderson isn't starting material for a good team,but he remains underrated.Everyone thinks that he is just a 3-pt specialist,but he rebounds well too for his kind of player.His career TRB% is 14.0,higher than more considered players like Frye or the same Bass that starts over him.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2011, 06:54:23 am »
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2011, 11:12:27 am »
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With regard to your trade, I don't know why the Spurs would want Anderson when they have Bonner. Granted, they'd get rid of Jefferson but then they have to take on Turk. Kind of a wash.
Anderson is underrated,he can do many things on the floor while Bonner is only a 3-pt shooter

However,they have to
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Splitter,Blair are a starting point for Spurs's future

He's not under-rated; he's a soft big person who wants to shoot Js. You try starting Anderson on a good team and see what happens.

Splitter and Blair are decent back-ups but I don't think either are ever going to be starter material.

Anderson is a tremendous shooter. He could stretch the paint making things a little easier for Duncan. He's also not a bad rebounder oh and he's only 23...
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I agree that Anderson isn't starting material for a good team,but he remains underrated.Everyone thinks that he is just a 3-pt specialist,but he rebounds well too for his kind of player.His career TRB% is 14.0,higher than more considered players like Frye or the same Bass that starts over him.


He is a decent rebounder, yes, but he won't get the minutes because he's not a good defender and not a good post player. Frye is lucky he plays for a team that doesn't care about those things.

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2011, 05:49:37 am »
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I agree that Anderson isn't starting material for a good team,but he remains underrated.Everyone thinks that he is just a 3-pt specialist,but he rebounds well too for his kind of player.His career TRB% is 14.0,higher than more considered players like Frye or the same Bass that starts over him.


He is a decent rebounder, yes, but he won't get the minutes because he's not a good defender and not a good post player. Frye is lucky he plays for a team that doesn't care about those things.
Anderson is not a good defender,but he isn't lazy on defensive end,so in a defensive system like Spurs one he could do a decent job.And he isn't a pretty good player,but he has a pair of moves to use to vary his game.As fourth big man he is a luxury
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 07:38:51 am »
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Getting back to the article, I think the Spurs will look toward within to figure out the big rotation this season.  Splitter should make big improvements and will see his playing time reflect it.  His minutes were increasing as that Grizzlies series went along, which should me Pop was gaining trust to give him meaningful playoff minutes.  People seem to think that because his rookie year was a disappointment he is another Euro stiff, but I'm still confident that he is the short term answer next to Duncan for the next year or two.  Long term he will be a nice compliment for whatever big they get next too him.

As far as these trades go.  Kaman would be a terrible fit next to Duncan now.  They are both center that cannot move laterally.  Teams would pick and roll us to death.  Millsap would be a good fit, but I don't know how much better he is than Blair. I think he is better, but I'm not sure he is much better.  Jefferson is a pipe dream, and is much like Kaman not a good fit next to Duncan.

The Leonard trade helps up at the 4 because he can play those small ball minutes much more effectively than Jefferson.  As a result, I would expect RJ's minutes to go down and production to stay the same because he wouldn't be play out of position as much.  Also, our small ball lineups won't be small everywhere now.  When the Spurs would go small, they would Parker, Hill, Neal, Jefferson and Blair at times.  (Meaning 6'2", 6'2", 6'4", 6'7" and 6"7")  Now when Leonard replacing Hill, and Anderson healthy we won't be small on the wings too when we go small, with lineups like Parker, Manu, Jefferson, Leonard and Blair (6'2" 6'6", 6'7", 6'7" and 6'7".  Obviously thats not the only small ball lineups but you get the idea with Manu and Neal not playing the 3 next year, and hopefully we wont continue to have a 6'2" point guard guard Kevin Durant
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