Kyle_G
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« on: April 08, 2012, 07:39:08 PM » |
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Yes?
Stats with Lowry out of the line up - 17.4 points, 9.6 assists, 4.2 rebounds
He will be just turning 25 years old come the start of next season, entering his prime.
He has proven this season to be a very capable defender and he will likely come at a reasonable price.
Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 08:01:50 PM » |
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It's something to explore to say the least. Three reasons I could see this happening: He has the chance to be the star of this team, He is still young, and he is European which fits well with this franchise.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 06:26:56 AM » |
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His impressive numbers aside as a starter.... Is he really good enough to be the guy we want for the future or is he simply another attainable guy that we like because he would be happy playing in Toronto, that has potential to be good but also potential to be very very average? We've all seen bench players step up and play over their head.
I never get to see him play.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 10:04:06 AM » |
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No offense, but does Toronto ALWAYS have to be the landing spot for every European player?
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 10:31:45 AM » |
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I have like scorin' Goran for awhile haha and I am really unsure if he could be a starter, part of me says yes he could turn into one, but another, bigger, part says no and lets no pursue him.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 10:52:38 AM » |
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No offense, but does Toronto ALWAYS have to be the landing spot for every European player?
Why is there offense in that? He's a good player, who cares where he's from. I have like scorin' Goran for awhile haha and I am really unsure if he could be a starter, part of me says yes he could turn into one, but another, bigger, part says no and lets no pursue him.
He's already proven in Phoenix that he's a starting quality PG, he's just been put in bad situations where he's playing behind hall of famers and allstars so he hasn't been able to consistently show off his game. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 02:16:40 PM » |
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Definitely someone to explore.
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 02:52:53 PM » |
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I don't know what European has to do with being a good talent. Really not a great market this offseason, so he could be a solid pick up, along with our draft pick (if not Davis then MKG, Robinson or Beal hopefully) and we have a playoff team. Not a great one mind you, but.....
Dragic, Derozan, Bargnani, Valanciunius, and a SF from the draft is a good team with Calderon, Johnson, Johnson and Kleiza as the main bench guys.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 03:54:05 PM » |
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Why is there offense in that? He's a good player, who cares where he's from.
He's already proven in Phoenix that he's a starting quality PG, he's just been put in bad situations where he's playing behind hall of famers and allstars so he hasn't been able to consistently show off his game.
I am sorry how did he prove he was a starting quality PG? Your right he has Been in bad situations behind good PGs but often times there is a reason they are still the backup and arent ready for a starting roll, case in point: darren collison, he looked great as a temporary starter but couldnt be as successful being a full time starter due to the fact other teams have learned how to plan for him. Being a good backup for a good starting PG does not show he is starting quality |
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 05:12:02 PM » |
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I am sorry how did he prove he was a starting quality PG? Your right he has Been in bad situations behind good PGs but often times there is a reason they are still the backup and arent ready for a starting roll, case in point: darren collison, he looked great as a temporary starter but couldnt be as successful being a full time starter due to the fact other teams have learned how to plan for him. Being a good backup for a good starting PG does not show he is starting quality
Collison is a terrible example, he looked great as a temporary starter due to the pace in which New Orleans was playing at. He was racking up 14+ assist games like they were nothing, they he came over to a very limited offense in Indiana and he has yet to have a chance to run the ball. Collison would still be playing at a high level in this right system. Per 36 in Phoenix he averaged a solid 15 PPG 6 Assists and 5 Rebounds, that's pretty similar to what he's currently putting up in Houston aside from an increased usage. Dragic isn't a case of putting him in the starting unit and holding your breath, he's already succeeded time and time again as a starter, he just needs minutes and the ball. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 05:56:58 PM » |
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Collison is a terrible example, he looked great as a temporary starter due to the pace in which New Orleans was playing at. He was racking up 14+ assist games like they were nothing, they he came over to a very limited offense in Indiana and he has yet to have a chance to run the ball. Collison would still be playing at a high level in this right system.
Per 36 in Phoenix he averaged a solid 15 PPG 6 Assists and 5 Rebounds, that's pretty similar to what he's currently putting up in Houston aside from an increased usage. Dragic isn't a case of putting him in the starting unit and holding your breath, he's already succeeded time and time again as a starter, he just needs minutes and the ball.
PER 36 and PER 48 are the most useless stats! If they were that good the coach would be playing him those minutes. There is a reason they play the minutes they do, if you look around the league you can find some amazing PER stats but they hold no value. I am not saying he is a bad player but he is going to get over paid this offseason and is he an upgrade over Jose? I dont think so nor is he the PG i want for my franchise moving forward. Is the guy a starter on some teams... Definitely but is he better than the avg starter no he is not so why spend a lot of money to gain another avg PG we are better off just sticking with Jose or sign a guy like Nash who is a top 10 player at his position |
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 08:42:13 PM » |
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For one, per36 and per48 stats aren't as cut and dry as "if he played 36 minutes these would be his stats" they are adjusted for pace and foul rates as well. The logic that if he "were that good the coach would just play him all those minutes anyway" is faulty because there are a ton of mitigating factors that play into how many minutes a player gets. Yes, Dragic right now is an upgrade over Calderon. He's younger, better defensively, a way better scorer and is a perfectly adept passer (Calderon is still one of the best assist men in the game, but that's about all he has going for him right now). Also, Dragic is a well above average rebounder for his position. We would spend the money on him because it's a position of need and he's a good player that is available, also, by next year Steve Nash will be 38 years old, I know he's still got some gas left but that would be a stupid move for a rebuilding squad who's starting lineup could very well feature 4 players under the age of 25 next year.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 08:12:09 PM » |
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No offense, but does Toronto ALWAYS have to be the landing spot for every European player?
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2012, 08:13:13 PM » |
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Dragic should be one of the Raptors' top priorities in free agency.
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2012, 09:25:03 PM » |
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Dragic should be one of the Raptors' top priorities in free agency.
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