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« on: February 02, 2013, 11:25:04 pm »

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bb9ymmv

Pretty simple.

Raps move Bargs, save some money.
Boston adds offense to a terrible offensive team.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 11:42:30 pm »

Um, Boston passes...
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 12:22:13 am »

Bass and Sullinger are both better. Even though sully is out for the next 12 months,
I would still rather him on the roster.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2013, 09:20:12 am »

We have never seen Bargs play with winners. I think in Boston he would be a very good addition, and Doc would get the most out of him.

Bass and Sullinger better than Bargs? I get it that people are low on him, but he isn't that bad. The past two seasons he's still capable of getting 20 most nights, especially if he has other players around him to take the defensive pressure off.

And his defense was improved, just read Hollinger's player profile coming into the season.

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Bargnani was a force in the 13 games he played before the All-Star break, averaging 24.1 points on 46.3 percent shooting, getting to the line with aggressive right-hand drives and pump fakes, and flummoxing opposing big men with his usual unorthodox assortment of wrong-footed jab step moves. Without him, the Raptors were hopeless offensively; they're 10-31 over the past two seasons when he doesn't play.

The offense wasn't even the best part of Bargnani's partial season, though. Defensively, he went from one of the worst in the league to something resembling a real basketball player, overnight. I don't want to get too excited just yet -- he still lacks physicality and his rebound rate is flat-out embarrassing for a 7-footer -- but Bargnani had very strong Synergy grades, and his other metrics were substantially less awful than usual.

So an average defender with his offensive game. For Bass, Sullinger and Collins? This wouldn't just be a move for this season, but playing with Rondo will help his game as well.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2013, 11:04:11 am »

Celtics does this if they believe that Sullinger can't stay healthy enough in the next years to be more effetcive on the court than Bargnani
Bass has been a big disappointment so far in Boston,and doesn't offer nothing to the table for Celtics,Bargnani sis an improvement over him,and Raps save money in the swap
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 12:44:08 pm »

We have never seen Bargs play with winners. I think in Boston he would be a very good addition, and Doc would get the most out of him.

Bass and Sullinger better than Bargs? I get it that people are low on him, but he isn't that bad. The past two seasons he's still capable of getting 20 most nights, especially if he has other players around him to take the defensive pressure off.

And his defense was improved, just read Hollinger's player profile coming into the season.

That is the thing, the Hollinger profile was BEFORE this season.  Bargs was so unbelievably bad, Toronto was terrible untill Bargs was benched.  Then they started winning.  No one wants Bargs.  Not even Lakers are willing to trade for Bargs.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 01:53:18 pm »

Bargs was so unbelievably bad, Toronto was terrible untill Bargs was benched.  Then they started winning. 
Bargs was BAD,but Toronto was terrible for many reasons.Consider him worse than Bass+Collins is something who would not be objective
Sullinger's health is the deal breaker,if Celtics thinks he can be healthy in years to come they don't do it,if they are worried about his health they do it in an heartbeat
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 01:56:45 pm »

Bargs was BAD,but Toronto was terrible for many reasons.Consider him worse than Bass+Collins is something who would not be objective
Sullinger's health is the deal breaker,if Celtics thinks he can be healthy in years to come they don't do it,if they are worried about his health they do it in an heartbeat

1) Bass > Bargs

2) Why should Boston saddle themselves with Bargs' contract?
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 02:01:20 pm »

1) Bass > Bargs

2) Why should Boston saddle themselves with Bargs' contract?
1)No

2)Bass contract is as bad as Bargnani contract is.He calls 6.5M this season,6.75 M next season and 7 M next season

Bass is in the trade to make the salaries work for the Celtics,not because he represents value
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 02:07:18 pm »

1)No

2)Bass contract is as bad as Bargnani contract is.He calls 6.5M this season,6.75 M next season and 7 M next season

Bass is in the trade to make the salaries work for the Celtics,not because he represents value

If anything, it is a wash between the two.  Still does not make sense for Boston to trade for Bargs.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 02:17:11 pm »

If anything, it is a wash between the two.  Still does not make sense for Boston to trade for Bargs.
Bass doesn't offer nothing,Bargnani could offer at least scoring.Bass+scrubs to make it work salary wise would make sense for Boston,the fact is that an healthy Sullinger is a pretty good player.A non-healthy Sullinger isnetad has no value
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 02:21:42 pm »

Bass doesn't offer nothing,Bargnani could offer at least scoring.Bass+scrubs to make it work salary wise would make sense for Boston,the fact is that an healthy Sullinger is a pretty good player.A non-healthy Sullinger isnetad has no value

Oh, Bargs offers scoring?  You are right, he gives you scoring.  Yeah, this season, he was giving Toronto 16 points a night... on 15.2 shots (40% from the floor and 32% from three). 

I can now see why Boston would be desperate to get their hands on that spicy Italian sausage.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 02:25:26 pm »

Oh, Bargs offers scoring?  You are right, he gives you scoring.  Yeah, this season, he was giving Toronto 16 points a night... on 15.2 shots (40% from the floor and 32% from three). 
In the last seasons he scores much more efficiently though.It was the same speech that was made with Gay in the Grizzlies this season...
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 02:28:58 pm »

In the last seasons he scores much more efficiently though.It was the same speech that was made with Gay in the Grizzlies this season...

So, what caused his horrific shooting?
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