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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2013, 08:36:56 am »
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You talk about good defenders on the Bulls, and yet you totally ignore Gibson and Asik.

All I am saying is that a good one-on-one defender has a lot less value than a good defensive anchor.  Over the years there is just not a very strong correlation between when Deng plays and how good the team's defense is. 
He also plays about 40mpg, so the time he's off the floor is a pretty small sample. I think playing 80+% of the game on one of the best defensive teams in the league says quite a bit about the defensive values he brings to the table.

But I do agree with you that having a good defensive anchor is more valuable than having a good one-on-one defender. I don't think anyone would really disagree with that. That's why C's get paid the big bucks even if they really aren't very good basketball players... I think LeBron is the only non-center that could be considered an anchor.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2013, 08:55:08 pm »
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Would trade for a 1st round pick.  Although Teague is a good prospect.  No big change or blockbuster for the Butler kid... 1st round pick or hold him.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2013, 08:58:15 pm »
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Would trade for a 1st round pick.  Although Teague is a good prospect.  No big change or blockbuster for the Butler kid... 1st round pick or hold him.

Teague isn't worth a first.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2013, 09:16:45 pm »
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Teague isn't worth a first.

I think he is.  Maybe GS's 2014 pick.
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 12:51:50 am »
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Teague isn't worth a first.

I think you are being harsh, a lottery pick, no. A first rounder though, absolutely.
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2013, 03:58:45 am »
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Utah is in full rebuild mode. Only a few players with more then one year remaining. And their highest paid player is Richard Jefferson? There is nothing on their roster worth trading the Charlotte pick or the rights to Mirotic for. I am assuming the person that said that was just kidding or really High. I doubt any action on Deng either scene he has one year left.

Slim change they could have interest in Boozer, but if the Bulls can move him back to Utah Im on board. They could start Taj and trade Boozer for a nice backup big.

Utah is all about the PF + PG combo... Stuck mentally in the Stockton Malone years or Williams Boozer mode. So that's good for the Bulls. Maybe a deal that ships Boozer and Teague and get us a Back up big and maybe JL3 back or another shooter. But I see back-up point being more important. No Nate now and Hinrich is getting old. If Dunleavy and Snell find their shots I think outside shooting will be fine. A lot of contracts free up between Dec. 15th and the trade deadline. If the Bulls make a move this year it will be during that time. Still they should have sent Boozer and Deng to Brooklyn... Instead KG and Pierce go.... I'm on the record... Watch the Celtics grow now that they don't have those big contracts anchoring them down. The Bulls could have shipped Deng and Boozer and still made the playoffs this year. 

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2013, 08:17:48 am »
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Boozer,Teague and DJ White for Biedrins, Marwin Williams, Rush, Machado, a 1st round pick(2014 GS 1st) and a pair of 2nd round picks would be perfect for the Bulls, imho
Deng splits time at 3 and 4, Gibson get more PT at 4, Biderins does the back-up to Noah(much better than Mohammed/Pittman/Dj White), Rush and Marvin Williams strengthen wing rotation,

New depth chart would be

Rose/Hinrich/Machado
Butler/Dunleavy/Rush
Deng/Butler/Marvin Williams/Snell
Gibson/Deng/Murphy/Marvin Williams
Noah/Biedrins/Mohammed
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2013, 08:49:10 am »
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You guys are delusional.  Thomas Robinson, the 5th pick in the same draft, has been traded twice already and neither trade has involved a first rounder.   You reallllly think Marquis Teague is more valuable than Robinson?  I'd trade Teague for Robinson in a heart beat.  Robinson was moved to clear payroll, but it's not like his salary is insane, he's still on the rookie scale.  Teague has done nothing in the NBA to warrant a first rounder.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2013, 10:08:37 am »
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You guys are delusional.  Thomas Robinson, the 5th pick in the same draft, has been traded twice already and neither trade has involved a first rounder.   You reallllly think Marquis Teague is more valuable than Robinson?  I'd trade Teague for Robinson in a heart beat.  Robinson was moved to clear payroll, but it's not like his salary is insane, he's still on the rookie scale.  Teague has done nothing in the NBA to warrant a first rounder.
I agree, but there is a difference here.
Sac and Hou wanted to get rid of Robinson, so they had to accet whatever was offered to them(and Robinson contract is not insignificant, he will earn more than a taxpayer-MLE guy). In this situation Chicago has something that another team wants, so they can ask more than his value, as long as it's something reasonable(and Utah has yet enough young guys + next season 1st round pick to sacrifice GS pick if they really believe in Teague)
Still, Chicago should use this situation to aim to a bigger trade, imho
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2013, 10:23:16 am »
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I agree, but there is a difference here.
Sac and Hou wanted to get rid of Robinson, so they had to accet whatever was offered to them(and Robinson contract is not insignificant, he will earn more than a taxpayer-MLE guy). In this situation Chicago has something that another team wants, so they can ask more than his value, as long as it's something reasonable(and Utah has yet enough young guys + next season 1st round pick to sacrifice GS pick if they really believe in Teague)
Still, Chicago should use this situation to aim to a bigger trade, imho
This. There's a HUGE difference between:
1) Trading a player because you don't want them anymore
2) Trading a player because other teams want/are actively pursuing said player
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2013, 01:30:56 pm »
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But who is activity pursuing Marquis Teague?  Absolutely no one.  Jazz are reportedly interested, but they aren't grabbing Teague unless the price is right.  They just spent a first rounder on Trey Burke to be the future PG, just no way they spend another first rounder on another PG.  The Bulls have no upper hand in this situation, Teague has done nothing to improve his value, so the Bulls have no reason to expect anything more than a dinky pick. As soon as Utah hears "First round pick?" They hang up the phone.   They aren't in a win now mode, and even if they were, Teague isn't the guy somebody is going to spend legit trade chips on.
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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2013, 02:36:13 pm »
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But who is activity pursuing Marquis Teague?  Absolutely no one.  Jazz are reportedly interested, but they aren't grabbing Teague unless the price is right.  They just spent a first rounder on Trey Burke to be the future PG, just no way they spend another first rounder on another PG.  The Bulls have no upper hand in this situation, Teague has done nothing to improve his value, so the Bulls have no reason to expect anything more than a dinky pick. As soon as Utah hears "First round pick?" They hang up the phone.   They aren't in a win now mode, and even if they were, Teague isn't the guy somebody is going to spend legit trade chips on.
And that's why Chicago should aim to a bigger trade,imho
Chicago has to solve Deng and Boozer situations, Utah could be a good trade partner given the number of expiring contracts they have, and Teague can be an asset to put in the trade to receive a bigger package in this possible trade
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2013, 02:44:36 pm »
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But who is activity pursuing Marquis Teague?  Absolutely no one.  Jazz are reportedly interested, but they aren't grabbing Teague unless the price is right.  They just spent a first rounder on Trey Burke to be the future PG, just no way they spend another first rounder on another PG.  The Bulls have no upper hand in this situation, Teague has done nothing to improve his value, so the Bulls have no reason to expect anything more than a dinky pick. As soon as Utah hears "First round pick?" They hang up the phone.   They aren't in a win now mode, and even if they were, Teague isn't the guy somebody is going to spend legit trade chips on.
None of this is bad though. Apparently the Jazz like him a lot. Either they pay the price or he stays here. The Bulls really have the only hand in this situation because they don't necesarilly want/need to trade him.
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2013, 02:59:05 am »
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Some of you are overvaluing late 1sts.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2013, 07:29:59 am »
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And that's why Chicago should aim to a bigger trade,imho
Chicago has to solve Deng and Boozer situations, Utah could be a good trade partner given the number of expiring contracts they have, and Teague can be an asset to put in the trade to receive a bigger package in this possible trade

Only problem is Utah clearly doesnt want Boozer.  They'll take Deng, but the Bulls would be buying so low on Deng.  Either you get expiring contracts or picks, not both.  Deng isn't good enough to bring back a king's ransom. 
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