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« on: February 03, 2014, 02:12:41 pm »
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As we all know, the Bulls(thibodeau) has pretty much gone with Taj Gibson over Boozer in the 4th quarter since the two joined the team. For years it's just been hush hush since Taj is clearly superior defensively and the Bulls were winning games. The past two years however, Rose hasn't been there to help this team in crunch time, and the 4th quarter execution is certainly inconsistent. With Deng now gone, the Bulls are without their two leading scorers from years past, forcing the likes of Noah, Dunleavy, and Butler to try and win  games in crunch time. Hasn't worked out too well. When Carlos Boozer was finally asked about what he thought of Thibodeau choosing to sit him late in games he said:

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"He's been doing that a lot since I've been here, not putting me in the 4th qtr. Sometimes we win, but more times than not we don't"

I've always wondered why Boozer never complained about not seeing the 4th quarter, but with the lack of talent especially offensively, it just seems odd to sit arguably one of your best offensive player. The dude leads the Bulls in scoring, can't blame him for finally stepping up and saying something.

What do you guys think? Should Boozer start seeing 4th quarter time over Taj? Personally i think he's gotta start seeing at least some time, if he doesn't produce then he really has nothing to complain about.
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 05:37:15 pm »
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Boozer would have a point if the Bulls were actually better offensively when he is on the court, but they are not.  The Bulls actually break even on offense with him on and off the court, and in the past they have ben better on offense when he was sitting on the bench.

The Bulls are much better off with Taj Gibson on the court.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 07:26:56 pm »
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Boozer would have a point if the Bulls were actually better offensively when he is on the court, but they are not.  The Bulls actually break even on offense with him on and off the court, and in the past they have ben better on offense when he was sitting on the bench.

The Bulls are much better off with Taj Gibson on the court.
This. Maybe Boozer should blame himself for not playing ANY defense instead of blaming Thibs for his PT.

With Deng now gone, the Bulls are without their two leading scorers from years past, forcing the likes of Noah, Dunleavy, and Butler to try and win  games in crunch time. Hasn't worked out too well.
Disagree with that. It's worked too well imo.
DJ Augustin - Jimmy - DunLeavy - Boozer - Noah

Not a pretty team
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 08:28:53 pm »
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yeah except the Bulls are the 2nd worst team in the league in 4th quarter points aka not being very good in crunch time.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 09:14:28 pm »
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yeah except the Bulls are the 2nd worst team in the league in 4th quarter points aka not being very good in crunch time.
And how many points do they give up? Scoring is only half the battle...
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2014, 03:45:30 am »
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What a coincidence Noah spoke out as well...to the officials.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2014, 08:48:30 am »
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And how many points do they give up? Scoring is only half the battle...

Not as much as the other team lol the Bulls lose more games late than they win, that's a fact.  Bulls haven't had a positive point differential in the 4th quarter since 2011 when the Bulls actually lead the league in 4th quarter point differential. Thank you Derrick Rose.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2014, 09:10:58 am »
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Boozer likes to play away from the basket. Mainly b/c his height, and once in a blue moon he does his little spin move aka "the spin cycle" and fools fans into thinking he is an inside presence. Then the next play he has the ball a foot from the basket and has to shoot some crazy fade away and misses, or he just bails on D as his responsibility glides to the basket untouched. Boozer is a player that works on a team that tries to outscore the opponent, not a defense first team. Not a bad player , just a bad fit for Bulls style. He did good in Utah's system, and would do as good if not better playing for a run and gun team, that takes a lot of shots.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2014, 11:18:32 am »
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Boozer has played in 26 4th quarters this year, and they are 11-15 when he's played. Taj has played in all 47 and they are 23-24 (12-9 without Boozer). They are worse in the 4th when Boozer plays, that's a fact.

Taj is also shooting 49% to Boozer's 42% in the 4th.

Thibs knows what he's doing. He doesn't have the personnel (Rose) to be great in the 4th quarter on offense. Boozer doesn't change that, he makes it worse by forcing shots if anything.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2014, 11:53:36 am »
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Boozer has played in 26 4th quarters this year, and they are 11-15 when he's played. Taj has played in all 47 and they are 23-24 (12-9 without Boozer). They are worse in the 4th when Boozer plays, that's a fact.

Taj is also shooting 49% to Boozer's 42% in the 4th.

Thibs knows what he's doing. He doesn't have the personnel (Rose) to be great in the 4th quarter on offense. Boozer doesn't change that, he makes it worse by forcing shots if anything.

All true. But the Bulls are a team that has to grind out wins. Unless they get hot from 3, most games are grinded out with Defense. Boozer is pricey for his position yes, but when you compare his numbers to guys around the league his market value isn't THAT off. Taj should have started last year, but since Boozer is getting paid twice the Money he starts. But when things grind down in the fourth, Thibs doesn't trust Boozer in the game. So my question is why keep him around? Despite what many in here believe, Boozer is a good trade piece, and could help a team that needs a scoring front court player. Bulls just need to loosen their grip on him.
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 12:01:51 pm »
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All true. But the Bulls are a team that has to grind out wins. Unless they get hot from 3, most games are grinded out with Defense. Boozer is pricey for his position yes, but when you compare his numbers to guys around the league his market value isn't THAT off. Taj should have started last year, but since Boozer is getting paid twice the Money he starts. But when things grind down in the fourth, Thibs doesn't trust Boozer in the game. So my question is why keep him around? Despite what many in here believe, Boozer is a good trade piece, and could help a team that needs a scoring front court player. Bulls just need to loosen their grip on him.
Short answer... They shouldn't. They are probably looking for too much value in return right now.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 12:14:16 pm »
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Short answer... They shouldn't. They are probably looking for too much value in return right now.

That. and they still delusionaly think their the team that won 60 + games a few years back. Without salary cap saving trades this season is pointless. I feel before the Feb. 20th deadline a Blockbuster trade with many payers is going to take place. Hope the Bulls and Boozer are in the report. The problem in untying a knot is sometimes you make the knot worst by over complicating things. Its simple to us, Dump Boozer's deal and start next year fresh. But they are worrying about value, He does have value or they wouldn't have offers, Its just worth more to the Bulls to rid his contract then most teams value him as a player. Teams know the Bulls are cornered. So take an expiring and be thankful before the knot sinks the whole team.

All his comments say the same thing. "I'm not Happy" . So make him happy and fans Happy and drop the hammer on him. He is virtually asking to be traded. 
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